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[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by Thaak

Dude, if you actually go out and do a statistical analysis of the non-conference teams that the best 6 teams in the SEC play vs. Ohio State, I think you'll find that Ohio State plays a tougher non-conference schedule overall. You see a lot of SEC playing Sun Belt, Conf USA, MAC, and Div 1-AA (FCS) and Div II teams. Ohio State plays MAC, Conf USA, and I think a WAC or MWC team and Miami this year.

The point really is the wins/losses when comparing say LSU, or bama, or Florida. OSU can lose to USC, or Texas, or Miami in September and still play in the national championship game. Any of those SEC schools lose in Sept. and they don't even compete in their own conference title game.

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

The point really is the wins/losses when comparing say LSU, or bama, or Florida. OSU can lose to USC, or Texas, or Miami in September and still play in the national championship game. Any of those SEC schools lose in Sept. and they don't even compete in their own conference title game.

Leg, OK I can understand your love for Marshall but the above statement is so out of touch it just sounds like pathetic ND jealous hate directed at Ohio State/Big Ten. In the 2006 NC game OSU lost to a one loss Florida and the following year lost to a two loss LSU team. Ohio State plays 4 top 15 teams this year, same as the most difficult schedule for whatever SEC team you want to compare.

Picking on ND for schedule, results, recent bowl games, etc is just too easy and would make me look like a douche so I won't go there. I will say I like new coach Brian Kelly and think he will turn them around soon so good luck.

[grimmreaper3]

Your argument appeared reasonable in the first post. Pryor's performance wasn't godly in the Marshall game. GREATLY improved, but not godly. Based off this game, he doesn't appear a Heisman favorite, just really good and much improved. Which he did, and given some pretty sexy long passes (some of those were legit strikes, so the statement about the receivers being open (?) isn't completely relevant), it was a good game. Does this game win him the Heisman? No. But he wasn't really needed this game.

It's when you started decrying OSU's OOC schedule... and then compared it to SEC teams' OOC schedules... that I began to raise mine own eyebrows. Example? This first game. Marshall doesn't completely suck. They won a bowl game last year. Was it an irrelevant bowl game? Yeah. But you can't talk about Marshall as if they're Samford-levels of failure. Or Florida A&M. Or San Jose State. Or Miami (OH).

Then there's OU. Also in a Bowl Game. And EMU? Well, they suck. That's about all there is to it.

It's at this point that one could shout, 'Aha! They're scheduling OOC cupcakes! They don't belong in the conversation!' Um. Yes. About that.

Care to guess whose OOC schedule this is?

FSU
USF
Appalachian State
Miami (OH)

Hardcore. OSU's OOC schedule can't stand up to that.

And losing a game in September disqualifying you from play? Sure, if it's an in-conference game against someone who is a favorite to win the conference and is in the same division. In that case, congratulations, you didn't do what you had to in order to get to the Championship game. How unfair. So unfair, in fact, that the Big Telelve is using the same formula next year.

Is the SEC the best conference? Yes. Are they taking advantage of this by scheduling shit OOC schdules? Excluding Bama, you'd better believe they are.

I would love to hear what conferences are better than the Big Ten this year. I'll give you one: The SEC. Your job is to argue the rest.

[Thaak]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

In the last 5 years PSU has been relevant in maybe 2 of them.

And...... Iowa? Wisco? Indiana? Purdue? Competing for the top 10? Have you lost your mind? If you change the premise to "competing for .500" then we can get back into the same conversation.

Before you open your mouth and spew garbage, you might want to actually look at the records and ranking of the Big 10 schools.

2005:

Penn State 11-1, #3; Ohio State 10-2, #4; Wisconsin 10-3, #15; Iowa, Michigan, Northwestern, and Minnesota were all 7-5, with Iowa and Michigan with honorable mention just outside the top 25.

2006:

Ohio State 12-1, #2; Wisconsin 12-1, #7; Michigan 11-2, #8; Penn State 9-4, #24; Purdue 8-6,

2007:

Ohio State 11-2, #5; Illinois #20, Michigan #18, Wisconsin #24, & Penn State Honorable Mention all 9-4

2008:

Penn State 11-2, #8; Ohio State 10-3, #9; Michigan State #24, Iowa #20, & Northwestern 9-4 Honorable Mention

2009:

Ohio State 11-2, #5; Iowa 11-2, #7; Penn State 11-2, #9; Wisconsin 10-3, #16; Northwestern 8-5

Penn State has been Relevant the last 5 years. So has Wisconsin and Iowa. Michigan has tailed off the last couple years.

5 top 5's, 11 top 10's, 19 top 25's, and 4 honorable mentions.

Yeah, that sucks. Go spew your garbage on college ball somewhere else.

[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by Thaak

5 top 5's, 11 top 10's, 19 top 25's, and 4 honorable mentions. Yeah, that sucks. Go spew your garbage on college ball somewhere else.

Lots of 9-4s 8-5s 8-6s 7-5s included in that list Thaak. Does more to support my premise that Big 10 schools get blow-jobbed into national rankings/bowl games than counter it. So, thanks for the leg-work. [/spew]

[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by grimmreaper3

I would love to hear what conferences are better than the Big Ten this year. I'll give you one: The SEC. Your job is to argue the rest.

Is it?

Why? I only brought up the SEC. But I think the Pac-4 will win the rose bowl this year. I'd put up their top 3 v. Big 5+5 this season - and that's in a year without USC. I think it'd be a lot closer than you'd like.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

Lots of 9-4s 8-5s 8-6s 7-5s included in that list Thaak. Does more to support my premise that Big 10 schools get blow-jobbed into national rankings/bowl games than counter it. So, thanks for the leg-work. [/spew]

Did you notice how many times the Big Ten had teams ranked in the Top 25? You're obviously not a fan of their style of football and that's okay. But I'm not sure what you're argument is here.

Florida and Alabama have been tough as of late. But the rest of the SEC? Georgia, Tennessee, S Carolina, Auburn? These are teams that make the SEC better than the Big Ten's Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan and Purdue?

And the best team in the Pac10 played the best team in the Big Ten 10 last year. Wasn't that great of a game.

[Thaak]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

Lots of 9-4s 8-5s 8-6s 7-5s included in that list Thaak. Does more to support my premise that Big 10 schools get blow-jobbed into national rankings/bowl games than counter it. So, thanks for the leg-work. [/spew]

First off, 9-4 and 7-5 is NOT fighting .500.

Second, plenty of other conferences have 9-4, 7-5, in the top 25, not just the Big 10.

Third, you conveniently ignored all the 12-1, 11-2, and 10-3 records.

Of the 26 records I mentioned, 13 were at least 10-3, and 13 were 9-4 or worse.

Your argument has tons and tons of holes. It is extremely evident that you are majorly biased against the Big 10, and no matter what info we throw at you, you are going to twist it to mean what you want it to mean.

If that's how you want to be, go right and and be that way, but don't expect any one else to fall lock-step in line.

[grimmreaper3]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

I'd put up their top 3 v. Big 5+5 this season - and that's in a year without USC. I think it'd be a lot closer than you'd like.

Do you gamble? I do hope not.