Why Notre Dame sucks! Good natured poke at ND.

[Jax Dawg]

I've always been on the "hater" side of the Notre Dame debate so I thought this web site was very good and useful.

Notre Dame Sucks!

Now on to the only top 25 list Notre Dame made this year (or last year, or the year before, etc, etc)



1. Notre Dame has won one bowl game in their last 9 attempts.

2. Notre Dame's fan base consists predominantly of fans who couldn't get into Notre Dame and have no idea where South Bend is on a map.

3. Notre Dame has a losing bowl record. And they've only been to 27 bowl games.

4. Notre Dame's Heisman winners are the product of popularity contests, not the product of the best performance by football players.

5. Similarly, Notre Dame's "national championships" are the result of popularity, and not the result of being the best team. You can be popular without being good. For example, consider the popularity of McDonald's and soccer.

6. Notre Dame's record in the past 50 years isn't in the top 10.

7. Notre Dame fans cite their record of excellence, despite most of their success occurring when the Charleston was popular.

8. The fight song is just terrible. Fortunately, we only have to hear it before the game.

9. Notre Dame has had major NCAA violations and went on probation for two years.

10. Notre Dame has had several incidents of racism.

11. Notre Dame represents itself as THE Catholic institution of higher learning, which is arrogant and untrue. There are many fine Catholic universities, such as Boston College and Georgetown.

12. Notre Dame represents itself as THE Catholic football factory. Perhaps someone should inform the Domers that recently, Boston College has the better record. And Boston College has faced a tougher schedule.

13. Firing Ty Willingham after 3 years, yet letting Faust stay on for 5 years. If you say this is a case of Notre Dame learning from their mistakes, then realize that Willingham had a better first year than Weis.

14. Hiring George O'Leary.

15. Joe Theismann.

16. Changing the pronounciation of one's surname from THEEZ-man to rhyme with Heisman. What a sellout!

17. Afraid to join a conference like the Big Ten. Could it be because Notre Dame has a losing record against the Big Ten since 1994?

18. Holier than thou attitude.

19. Fourth and short Jesus.

20. Exclusive TV contract with NBC, yet ever-forgetful of what Christ said: "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matthew 19:24).

21. Notre Dame is always overrated by pollsters in pre-season polls, as evidenced by this study.

22. Notre Dame is always overrated in final polls, as evidenced by their bowl record. And they've only been to 27 bowl games.

23. The favoritism shown towards Notre Dame by media idiots like Beano Cook and Tom Lemming.

24. The Notre Dame hype machine.

25. That this is the only top 25 list Notre Dame deserves to be on.

[Vegasdogg]

Bite me.

[Legacy Fan]

A for effort?

http://dorkon.com/OnA/booooo.mp3


What I'm most impressed by is that you were actually able to find a website devoted to bashing Notre Dame. You must have searched on the whole internet.

Who would have guessed the owner was too cheap to spring for the dotcom? Maybe he can ask his boss (likely an ND alum) for a raise.

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

A for effort?

http://dorkon.com/OnA/booooo.mp3


What I'm most impressed by is that you were actually able to find a website devoted to bashing Notre Dame. You must have searched on the whole internet.

Who would have guessed the owner was too cheap to spring for the dotcom? Maybe he can ask his boss (likely an ND alum) for a raise.

It took about 2 minutes to find. The whole web address is Notre Dame Sucks! or http://notredamesucks.org/whyndsucks.html

Ha, a dot org! People who don't go to ND are too smart to pay for a dot com!

[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by Jax Dawg

It took about 2 minutes to find. The whole web address is Notre Dame Sucks! or Notre Dame Sucks!

Yeah, umm - the part about it taking a while to find was sarcasm.


Yikes.

[Jax Dawg]

Can we get this sticky-ed? I can keep going all football season.

EXAMINING NOTRE DAME'S RECORD

Notre Dame fans like to gloat that Notre Dame has the best record in the history of college football and the best winning percentage. Technically, that isn't even true.

And if one doesn't ignore the context of Notre Dame's victories, it isn't even close to being true:

Notre Dame's record since modern pass blocking rules came into effect (1976)

RankCollegePCTWLT
1Nebraska 0.806299712
2Florida State 0.789286754
3Miami-Florida 0.764272840
4Michigan 0.758274865
5Ohio State 0.741267917
6Oklahoma 0.7342629367
7Penn State 0.7232609928
8Georgia 0.70825110269
9Brigham Young 0.703264111210
10Tennessee 0.702250104811
11Texas 0.699249106512
12Florida 0.693248108613
13Alabama 0.692251111214
14Southern Cal 0.691247108815
15Boise State 0.68810045116
16Auburn 0.678237111617
17Notre Dame 0.6782401134
Notre Dame's record since unlimited substitution was legalized for good (1965)

RankCollegePCTWLT
1Nebraska0.808400935
2Michigan0.7583621138
3Ohio State0.7573571128
4Penn State0.7453591223
5Oklahoma0.7373521238
6Alabama0.7243531335
7Tennessee0.71934513113
8Texas0.7173421336
9Southern Cal0.71634113115
10Florida State0.7153431348
11Notre Dame0.7133341328
Notre Dame's record since unlimited substitution was first allowed (1941)

RankCollegePCTWLT
1Oklahoma0.74753817716
2Ohio State0.74250616921
3Penn State0.73351418411
4Michigan0.73050618216
5Texas0.72352319613
6Notre Dame0.71149619618
Notre Dame's record since the advent of the forward pass (1906)

RankCollegePCTWLT
1Notre Dame0.74974223834
2Michigan0.73069624831
3Ohio State0.72969424542
4Boise State0.726171642
5Alabama0.72473926941
6Washington & Jefferson0.7141886921
7Oklahoma0.71471927448
8Texas0.71273128728
9Tennessee0.70871528147
10Southern Cal0.70569227649
11Nebraska0.70370728835
12Penn State0.70169128535
13Yale0.67740018136
14Dartmouth0.67741319027
15Florida State0.67643620517
16Georgia0.65465833649
17Miami-Ohio0.65160731640
18Princeton0.64836519133
19Miami-Florida0.64052529119
20Harvard0.64037620434
21Louisiana State0.63563235447
22Washington0.63160534540
23Santa Clara0.63020611624
24Auburn0.62962035841
25Georgetown0.62521212322
Perhaps Notre Dame can take pride in being dominant when Washington & Jefferson or the Ivy League schools were dominant, even besting such gridiron powerhouses like Santa Clara and Georgetown.

Let us check out Notre Dame's schedule in 1919:
1919-Notre Dame (Independent)10/4vs.Kalamazoo (non-IA)W14-0
10/11vs.Mount Union (non-IA)W60-7
10/18@Nebraska (3-3-2)W14-9
10/25vs.Western Michigan (non-IA)W53-0
11/1vs.Indiana (3-4)W16-3
11/8@Army (6-3)W12-9
11/15vs.Michigan State (non-IA)W13-0
11/22@Purdue (2-4-1)W33-13
11/27@Morningside (non-IA)W14-6
9-0-0 229-47
Wow. Kalamazoo, Mount Union and Morningside were juggernauts that year. Nice schedule, Knute!

If you can personally remember when the Czar was in power and think Kalamazoo is a great football team, then you may as well keep believing that Notre Dame is great, because we can be accomodating of senility. If you were born after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, face facts: Notre Dame has a decent record, but it isn't better than better programs like Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan,(All Big Ten Schools), Nebraska, (Soon to be Big Ten), Alabama, etc..

[Vegasdogg]

You haters have no clue how us ND fans could care less anymore what people think. LOL. This kind of thing has been going on for generations. We like our team and that's okay that you hate it. It feels good that people are preoccupied with the Irish every season. :-)

[Legacy Fan]

Good natured poke @ ND?

Originally Posted by Jax Dawg

Can we get this sticky-ed? I can keep going all football season. EXAMINING NOTRE DAME'S RECORD

Sure. Right after you admit you're butt-hurt over my Marshall-OSU thread. It was pretty Titanic, so I understand the s t r e t c h you're feeling right about now.

Bolding ND & OSU's percentages? Why not try and be a little discreet about it, Jax? I can just go ahead and merge this into my thread, (where this one clearly belongs) or I can change the title to "I'm Jax-Dawg, and I'm butt-hurt over Legacy's Marshall-OSU thread." And then sticky it.

Your pick.

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

You haters have no clue how us ND fans could care less anymore what people think. LOL. This kind of thing has been going on for generations. We like our team and that's okay that you hate it. It feels good that people are preoccupied with the Irish every season. :-)

Veg, my biggest problem is the "holier than thou" attitude of the institution of Notre-Dame. Outside of USC and Michigan (when they are good again) and sometimes BC, Miami or some other team, their schedule for the most part is weaker than most major BCS champion caliber teams but they think they deserve the same, if not more respect. Want to impress me? Join a major conference like the Big Ten (this makes too much sense so it will never happen) and play teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa and next year Nebraska every year and you can still have your rivalry game with USC and see what the record is....

My biggest problem though is every once in a while when ND finally has a good season (at least in recent memory) the band wagon fans come out of the woodwork worse than Stooler fans to show their love for a team who they have no idea is from BFE northern Indiana. I'm glad you support your team through thick and thin unlike some, good on you, I just wish they would play Ohio State more often...

[Thaak]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

You haters have no clue how us ND fans could care less anymore what people think. LOL. This kind of thing has been going on for generations. We like our team and that's okay that you hate it. It feels good that people are preoccupied with the Irish every season. :-)

Yes, but its ok for you ND fans to be haters on OSU and the Big Ten?

[Vegasdogg]

Not me. I was born and raised on Ohio State. In fact I don't know any ND fans that shit on Ohio State or the Big 10. Never see a ND fan starting smackdowns. But every year there is a post about how ND sucks. LOL. I don't get butt hurt over this stuff, I just think it's hilarious that people are preoccupied with hating on Notre Dame.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Jax Dawg

Veg, my biggest problem is the "holier than thou" attitude of the institution of Notre-Dame. Outside of USC and Michigan (when they are good again) and sometimes BC, Miami or some other team, their schedule for the most part is weaker than most major BCS champion caliber teams but they think they deserve the same, if not more respect. Want to impress me? Join a major conference like the Big Ten (this makes too much sense so it will never happen) and play teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa and next year Nebraska every year and you can still have your rivalry game with USC and see what the record is....

My biggest problem though is every once in a while when ND finally has a good season (at least in recent memory) the band wagon fans come out of the woodwork worse than Stooler fans to show their love for a team who they have no idea is from BFE northern Indiana. I'm glad you support your team through thick and thin unlike some, good on you, I just wish they would play Ohio State more often...

You must hang in some odd circle of friends. I'm either proud of Notre Dame or pissed off that they suck. Hoiler than thou? Why because the academics make it hard to get into the school?