Coach Jim Tressel out at Ohio State

[Alo]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

Whatever anyone thinks of Pryor, I think it is sorta comical how even diehards are acting like he was an epic failure. He hadn't lived completely up to his billing and certainly wouldn't have this year missing 5 games, but he was hardly a bust.

Yep. And I wonder how much more effective he could have been w/ Meyer, Mullen, or Malzahn.

[Greythan]

Sorry Alo, I TOTALLY missed your point.

I don't fault the players for taking advantage of what I'm sure they viewed as simply.... perks. Not compensation. Sure, its a violation of the rules but a few things mitigate their indiscretions: youth and a corrupt system.

Again, I challenge anyone who would take the moral highground here on Tressel, OSU, or the players to find a lily white D1 school where nothing like this EVER happens. Its the system and only the NCAA in concert with the member schools can fix that problem; not the coaches and not the athletes.

[Alo]

It was my bad for not being clear: the folks on Facebook didn't get it either

[Brown Warrior]

So now they're saying Pryor's had 8 cars in 3 years? That's gonna be tough to explain for everybody. That's pretty conspicuous.

[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by Flugel

I thought this guy hit it out of the park.

WHY does a Nick Saban feel he HAS to go down to the Big Easy to establish God status in football? For the same reason Les Miles can consistently compete in BCS games without even knowing what a freakin spiral is. It's called sin to win. When Nick Saban was leaving Michigan State with the fanbase feeling fonder memories of George Perles, he wasn't gotta have material at all. He was a quitter. Today, he's SEC Royalty because he has learned how to do it without getting caught.

If he was TRUELY something special, go win at Vanderbilt or one of the military academies or intsitutions of high standards like Stanford or Notre Dame. He sold his soul IMO. It also marks the REAL reason a Les Miles has no interest in the Big 10 standards everytime you hear his name mentioned with Michigan. He knows he can't win with the formula he necessitates. Speaking of which, a guy like Rich Rodriguez that was getting kids like Pac Man Jones INTO school and away from jail wasn't pulling off the magic in the Big 10 if ya know what I mean. I'm not even sayign that program is squeaky clean, it's just waaaaay under control in comparision to what goes on in the untouchable SEC.

The system IS flawed and I think that's the reason Urban Meyer had the stress-induced health issues from asking the question: "how long do I want to look in the mirror?"

Everybody on the planet knows how Auburn just won their National Championship so where do you draw the line? Everybody knew about Bush BEFORE they squared off in a Bowl Matchup with Texas that drew top television ratings. Apparently ALOT of these kids on OSU weren't suspended by the NCAA for the Bowl matchup and WHY? Impact on intrigue to watch which ultimately impacts viewer ratings. What SPECIFICALLY is the NCAA tellign us right there? $ talks. Last, but not least, we have another polluted Heisman Winner that just got rewarded with a 1st overall draft slot. And did the NCAA choose to end that story book season in the SEC or sweep it right under the rug?

It wasn't Switzer's players raping female students and getting into countless fights on campus. It was the Sodom and Gommorah going on inside Tom Osborne's steroid infested program. They were competing for seemignly every big game all the while Lawrence Phillips was getting physical with the ladies in public. It was 1 red flag after another but there was a simpleton over in Oklahoma with a Banrey Fife smile and a Jethro Clampet charisma with a star player named Boz he couldn't teach to say "Jesus Christ is my Saviour" anywhere near a mic. He didn't shake all the right hands and grease all the right fannies so the NCAA thought - "let's leave a nice guy like Tom Osborne alone - we've already got our example down the road." What a surprise - today he's a politican while Switzer is best remembered for "pass me the pretzels" on the NFL sidelines.

Anyway, I'm not condoning leaving out the truth. I'm saying let's have a little consistency with going after EVERY program that does this. Not doing so rewards the cheaters and places them on the pedastal for coninued look-aways. In my NECK of the woods, SEC fans are calling out the crooked OSU program while CHOOSING to pretend their programs are clean. That's what is MOST nauseating about all this.

Fluges I think you're comparing apples & oranges. Trying the "everybody does it but only the SEC doesn't get caught" is so far removed from a logical argument re: Tress' situation that I dont know where to begin. If the NCAA favors a conference, I'd stake my throne on the Big10 being the darlings instead of the SEC. If reversed, we'd have a tournament in December/January. I'll say this with as little bias as possible (I'm seriously trying to be honest), the National Champs have been decided at the SEC conf title game for the last 5 years or so.

Next, let's not pretend tOSU's bowl victory is not equally as suspect as Auburns. Not to mention their entire season (as Tress 'knew' back in April '10).

Which brings me to my last point (for now): the quantity and quality of the infractions aren't being scrutinized or compared/contrasted by anyone who is sane. THE PROBLEM is that Tress lied. Cover-ups have such a stigma in this day & age and thats what we're dealing with here.

[Brown Warrior]

Interesting timing: The author on Colbert last night was talking about the culture of lying of the past couple decades and how it's affecting our entire society. Cover-ups and perjury have become relative and almost acceptable. We makes excuses for them, come up with weighted ethics rather than right/wrong.

The bottom line: Tressel may be a lot of wonderful things but he participated in a cover-up and that's a very big no-no. Once it's known... well, it's over.

[Alo]

Craig Krenzel: "Our football coach got caught holding a smoking gun in his hand.”

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by Alo

Craig Krenzel: "Our football coach got caught holding a smoking gun in his hand.”

Craig is way off on the fans not being pissed at Pryor. All you gotta do is go read Bucknuts to see that.

If Pryor had an ounce of being a winner like Krenzel, he would have been all world and revered at OSU forever.

[nickers]

Originally Posted by Greythan

Again, I challenge anyone who would take the moral highground here on Tressel, OSU, or the players to find a lily white D1 school where nothing like this EVER happens. Its the system and only the NCAA in concert with the member schools can fix that problem; not the coaches and not the athletes.

The thing is...they dont want to fix the problem...they want USC on top and lickety split...They want whats "best" for the NAAC PERIOD!....and that means "Money"...Its what was always about...In the meantime...lets kill Tressel...I dont blame Tress 1 iota...NONE!...Im sure all of the Mich fans are happy as horse shit right now...If the NCAA was smart...they abolish 2/3rds of these stupid rules...Let the kids have a part time job for chrissake...It will give them knowledge and things they can carry with them in life...If they really cared about Students and Student Athletes...they would do the RIGHT THING!

[Brown Warrior]

Nick... huh? They want USC on top? Maybe they could give back those 40 scholarships and three years of bowl games? They nuked the Trojans on Reggie Bush. The program was never accused of being involved and nobody's ever provided ANY proof that Carroll knew.

I don't know how you don't blame Tressel. He knew it was happening and didn't follow his contract by alerting the university. Bam. Blamed. He did wrong.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

Fluges I think you're comparing apples & oranges. Trying the "everybody does it but only the SEC doesn't get caught" is so far removed from a logical argument re: Tress' situation that I dont know where to begin. If the NCAA favors a conference,

Next, let's not pretend tOSU's bowl victory is not equally as suspect as Auburns. Not to mention their entire season (as Tress 'knew' back in April '10).

LOL! Maybe I got a little dramatic. I hope I didn't use the word "everybody" when I specificied various programs as well as some powerhouses in 1 conference in particular. I DO think Whitlock wrote a GREAT article because the system CONTINUES to be flawed. And I did say I don't condone withholding the truth. That said, if you think Tressell was the ONLY one giving a top recruited QB some shadey perks - Auburn. We can pretend it doesn't exist but it does IMO.

Per your comment I bolded above, here's a cut and paste what I wrote so you know there's was no pretending from me:
Everybody on the planet knows how Auburn just won their National Championship so where do you draw the line? Everybody knew about Bush BEFORE they squared off in a Bowl Matchup with Texas that drew top television ratings. Apparently ALOT of these kids on OSU weren't suspended by the NCAA for the Bowl matchup and WHY? Impact on intrigue to watch which ultimately impacts viewer ratings. What SPECIFICALLY is the NCAA tellign us right there? $ talks. Last, but not least, we have another polluted Heisman Winner that just got rewarded with a 1st overall draft slot. And did the NCAA choose to end that story book season in the SEC or sweep it right under the rug?

Back to the debate at hand. Legacy, I have had season tix to Vandy games for the last 2 years so I can tell you the difference between Vandy's recruits and Bamas, LSUs, Auburns and Floridas. Again, WHY does Nick Saban need to leave Michigan State and go to LSU to win if he is indeed a Coaching God? He wasn't squat in the Big 10. Let me ask why doesn't Les Miles ever go to Michigan and LEAVE LSU in spite of so many chances? There's more than voodoo working there. Promise. That doesn't mean Vanderbilt, Ole Miss or Miss State are shadey.

If you could listen to these Auburn, LSU and Bama fans on the radio here calling Ohio State crooked - I think there's alot of ethnocentric ignorance in that. Those schools just haven't been caught. If they're gonna make this like the NBA and only call fouls on certain teams while extending others favoritism - I think it's a bad thing. Ohio State DID indeed foul. But the article is right that the system is flawed. Just like USC not too long ago, Auburn calls themselves National Champions today. They've got the same type of Heisman Trophy Winner as Reggie Bush was. When they figure it all out 3-4 years from now, the Oregon Ducks won't FEEL like they are National Champions and the Heisman Runner-up won't FEEL like he won the Heisman. Newton has already become the 1st overall pick in the draft while Bush was the 2nd overall pick. WHO got punished? Pete Carroll got an NFL Head Coaching gig out of it which triples his salary today. So who there would get punished in either case? Nobody responsible for the actions - just complete strangers that had nothing to do with it all.

I don't have a problem with Ohio State getting punished especially in light of everything I'm learning by the hour other than it sucks as a fan of them. Where I have the biggest problem is with people acting like this was the ONLY winning program in college football that needed to get punished.

[Riffer X]

The way the SEC over recruits is disgusting. They treat those kids like crap.