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So the news isthat the Dow dropped over 500 points yesterday erasing all the gains we've made so far this year. The biggest one day loss since 2008.

It seems to me that when that 2008 drop happened it was all we heard about for DAYS. Plastered on the front page of every news outlet and the top story on all the news networks.

This time it's barely on the first page after the initial story.

What gives? Am I missing something?
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Liberals are in power. The media has always spun things in favor of the liberal agenda.

At this point we can only cross our fingers and hope the market crashes hard. This country needs an enema. Repubs, Demos ....puppets.
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So the news isthat the Dow dropped over 500 points yesterday erasing all the gains we've made so far this year. The biggest one day loss since 2008.

It seems to me that when that 2008 drop happened it was all we heard about for DAYS. Plastered on the front page of every news outlet and the top story on all the news networks.

This time it's barely on the first page after the initial story.

What gives? Am I missing something?

Well it comes down to this, the media is in the bag for the tails side of the coin as opposed to the heads. As such they're not going to flash a spotlight onto the tails side of it and their messiah. Just another day in America and issue 3,489 swept under the rug.
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It seems to me that when that 2008 drop happened it was all we heard about for DAYS.
The worst is yet to come, IMO. We have nations going belly up, and the investors are very skittish right now because there are no planned cuts or changes that would reflect long term growth. I read a lot but don't understand it all, but I will say there could be some very dark days ahead.
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S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating - Aug. 5, 2011

This is kind of a big deal.
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Review & Outlook: The Road to a Downgrade - WSJ.com

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A short history of the entitlement state.

Even without a debt default, it looks increasingly possible that the world's credit rating agencies will soon downgrade U.S. debt from the AAA standing it has enjoyed for decades.

A downgrade isn't catastrophic because global financial markets decide the creditworthiness of U.S. securities, not Moody's and Standard & Poor's. The good news is that investors still regard Treasury bonds, which carry the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, as a near zero-risk investment. But a downgrade will raise the cost of credit, especially for states and institutions whose debt is pegged to Treasurys. Above all a downgrade is a symbol of fiscal mismanagement and an omen of worse to come if we continue the same habits.

President Obama will deserve much of the blame for the spending blowout of his first two years (see the nearby chart). But the origins of this downgrade go back decades, and so this is a good time to review the policies that brought us to this sad chapter and $14.3 trillion of debt.

With former President Truman at his side, LBJ signs the Medicare bill into law, July 30, 1965. FDR began the entitlement era with the New Deal and Social Security, but for decades it remained relatively limited. Spending fell dramatically after the end of World War II and the U.S. debt burden fell rapidly from 100% of GDP. That changed in the mid-1960s with LBJ's Great Society and the dawn of the health-care state. Medicare and Medicaid were launched in 1965 with fairy tale estimates of future costs.

Medicare, the program for the elderly, was supposed to cost $12 billion by 1990 but instead spent $110 billion. The costs of Medicaid, the program for the poor, have exploded as politicians like California Democrat Henry Waxman expanded eligibility and coverage. In inflation-adjusted dollars, Medicaid cost $4 billion in 1966, $41 billion in 1986 and $243 billion last year. Rather than bending the cost curve down, the government as third-party payer led to a medical price spiral.

LBJ launched other welfare programs—public housing, food stamps and many more—that have also grown over time. Last year, the panoply of welfare programs spent about $20,000 for every man, woman and child in poverty, according to Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation.

Social Security's fiscal trouble began in earnest in 1972 with bills that increased benefits immediately by 20%, added an annual cost of living adjustment, and created a benefit escalator requiring payments to rise with wages, not inflation. This and other tweaks by Democrat Wilbur Mills added trillions of dollars to the program's unfunded liabilities. Believe it or not, these 1972 amendments were added to a debt-ceiling bill.

None of these benefit expansions were subject to annual budget review and thus they grew by automatic pilot. They are sometimes called "mandatory spending" because Congress is required by law to make payments to those who meet eligibility standards, regardless of other spending needs or tax revenues.

According to the most recent government data, today some 50.5 million Americans are on Medicaid, 46.5 million are on Medicare, 52 million on Social Security, five million on SSI, 7.5 million on unemployment insurance, and 44.6 million on food stamps and other nutrition programs. Some 24 million get the earned-income tax credit, a cash income supplement.

By 2010 such payments to individuals were 66% of the federal budget, up from 28% in 1965. (See the second chart.) We now spend $2.1 trillion a year on these redistribution programs, and the 75 million baby boomers are only starting to retire.

We suspect that in the 1960s as now—with ObamaCare—liberals knew they had created fiscal time-bombs. They simply assumed that taxes would keep rising to pay for it all, as they have in Europe.

On Monday night Mr. Obama blamed President George W. Bush's "two wars" for the debt buildup. But national defense spending was 7.4% of GDP and 42.8% of outlays in 1965, and only 4.8% of GDP and 20.1% of federal outlays in 2010. Defense has not caused the debt crisis.

Many on the left still blame Ronald Reagan, but the debt increase in the 1980s financed a robust economic expansion and victory in the Cold War. Debt held by the public at the end of the Reagan years was much lower as a share of GDP (41% in 1988 and still only 40.3% in 2008) compared to the estimated 72% in fiscal 2011. That Cold War victory made possible the peace dividend that allowed Bill Clinton to balance the budget in the 1990s by cutting defense spending to 3% of GDP from nearly 6% in 1988.

..Mr. Bush and Republicans did prove after 9/11 that the Washington urge to spend and borrow is bipartisan. Republicans launched a Medicare drug benefit, record outlays on education, the most expensive transportation bill in history, and home ownership aid that contributed to the housing bubble. The GOP's blunder was refusing to cut domestic spending to finance the war on terrorism. Guns and butter blowouts never last.

Then came Mr. Obama, arguably the most spendthrift president in history. He inherited a recession and responded by blowing up the U.S. balance sheet. Spending as a share of GDP in the last three years is higher than at any time since 1946. In three years the debt has increased by more than $4 trillion thanks to stimulus, cash for clunkers, mortgage modification programs, 99 weeks of jobless benefits, record expansions in Medicaid, and more.

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Freedom Works President Matt Kibbe discusses the prospects for Speaker Boehner's debt ceiling plan and the Tea Party opposition.
..The forecast is for $8 trillion to $10 trillion more in red ink through 2021. Mr. Obama hinted in a press conference earlier this month that if it weren't for Republicans, he'd want another stimulus. Scary thought: None of this includes the ObamaCare entitlement that will place 30 million more Americans on government health rolls.

This is the road to fiscal perdition. The looming debt downgrade only confirms what everyone knows: Congress has made so many promises to so many Americans that there is no conceivable way those promises can be kept. Tax rates might have to rise to 60%, 70%, even 80% to raise the revenues to finance these promises, but that would be economically ruinous.

Yet Mr. Obama and most Democrats still oppose any serious reform of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. This insistence on no reform reinforces the notion that our entitlement state is too big to afford but also too big to change politically. This is how a AAA country becomes AA, the first step on the march to Greece.
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Ya'll are scaring me...

Hell, this mess is scaring me.
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The following is from the Anti-American Standard* who usually have an agenda but in this instance they are correct.


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Three Republican Senate sources tell TWS that senators who vote against the deal will be ineligible to serve on the so-called “supercommittee” for deficit reduction that the legislation creates.

While there’s certain logic to such a policy, it could be self-defeating. Excluding those who vote against the debt deal will ensure that some of the most fiscally conservative members of the Senate Republican caucus, including most of its freshmen, will be reading about the committee’s activities in the newspaper rather than guiding its decisions. Among those who have already declared their opposition to the deal: libertarian-leaning senators Mike Lee and Rand Paul; Jim DeMint, the aggressive fiscal hawk from South Carolina; conservative reformers Ron Johnson from Wisconsin and Pat Toomey from Pennsylvania; the ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee, Jeff Sessions; and Florida’s Marco Rubio, already one of the highest-profile conservatives in Congress.
Fiscal Conservatives Barred from Supercommittee (Updated) | The Weekly Standard

You should be scared Hiway. Not only has the federal government raised the dept ceiling in this country AGAINST the wishes of the people, dropped out credit rating and continued the path of destruction despite being voted in to STOP it, the Gov't again backed by Wall Street and the Federal Reserve has essentially locked out ANY dissent to it by creating an unconstitutional "SuperCongress" comprised of the same establishment garbage that HAS us in this mess.

We've opened the door to Dictatorship and already have one foot dangling pass the threshhold and into that room. That is dangerous territory and we should ALL be scared.

*I know some will ask why I called it Anti-American, well because they are. If you have ever read the Weekly Standard for any length of time 95% of the articles are slanted towards "what's in it for Israel?" and their vision of America is one big military unit scattered across every other nation ready and waiting for Netanyahu's orders. I don't say that to be antisemitic, I am part Jewish myself but it is true and they have admitted as much many times. In this short article however what they have stated IS factual, Obama, McConnell and Boehner have staged a Gov't coup and locked out dissent to the plans they're being paid to carry out.

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