Quarterbacks Drafted by Holmgren

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Danamal

Keep up the QB threads Shep,we need all QB all the time!

No, we really really REALLY DON'T.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Inspecta

So what exactly is the point of the thread?

Because the other QB threads are tiring out and we need yet ANOTHER one? To illustrate Mike Holmgren has no clue what he is doing, and that Colt McCcoy will never ever ever ever be anything, perhaps?

Originally Posted by Inspecta

Shep, we are all well aware that you don't like the McCoy pick. We get it, trust us. WE GET IT.

Nah, we need to hear about it again. And again. And again. And again. And again.

Originally Posted by Inspecta

I just don't understand why you feel the need to tear down the most established, respected and decorated football guy we've had running our team since we came back. And the sole reason this thread exists is because he did not pick the QB you wanted him to pick.

And that is the main reason most of these QB threads exist, as well as a HUGE reason behind tearing Holmgren down. Because Holmgren who is recognized in the NFL as a... anyone? QUARTERBACK GURU looked at the fag from Westlake Village and said "i'll pass.Not a franchise QB."

Originally Posted by Inspecta

So let's see, who do you think knows more about QB's. Shep or Mike Holmgren?

Come on, not fair. You know he thinks he knows more then Holmgren. Shit in Sheps eyes the kid stocking shelves at Blockbuster Video for a living knows more about QB's then Holmgren. Then again, the kid WAS pimping the shit outa Jimmy Fucknuts.

Originally Posted by Inspecta

So to go back to the thread topic, yeah Mike took a lot of shots in the dark in later rounds on some guys that didn't rise to the top, but during his entire coaching career, how many seasons did Holmgren spend looking for a QB? Not many, if any at all. He always had one. Kinda hard to crack the starting lineup when you have a perennial starter in front of you that never goes down with injury.

Shhhh, we'll have none of that in here. Can't you see? All his GOOD QB's were someone elses doing. We're not giving him credit for anything anymore, he was just a dare I say... coffee fetcher for Walsh and Wolf while they did all the work.

[Shep]

I think you're busting for no good reason... but no hard feelings.

It's just a discussion. I think it's repeated so often around here that we get the sense that every QB Holmgren drafts goes on to greatness. Or that he "knows QBs" so well that he finds only steals in later rounds.

Neither is true. That's a valid point to make AND discuss!!

Nobody's tearing anybody down. I actually like Holmgren quite a bit. But I also like truth and reality.

Originally Posted by Inspecta

So what exactly is the point of the thread?

Are you asserting that Holmgren is indeed NOT perfect when it comes to picking QB's?

If that was your entire point, then we might need to file this thread in "D" for "Duh"

Shep, we are all well aware that you don't like the McCoy pick. We get it, trust us. WE GET IT.

I just don't understand why you feel the need to tear down the most established, respected and decorated football guy we've had running our team since we came back. And the sole reason this thread exists is because he did not pick the QB you wanted him to pick.

So let's see, who do you think knows more about QB's. Shep or Mike Holmgren?

I'm not trying to bust your balls too much fella, but you create these types of threads then look around bewildered when you get negative push back. It's a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts "Everybody attacks me all the time" then you go and throw pieces of raw meat out there like this thread to ensure exactly that happens.

So to go back to the thread topic, yeah Mike took a lot of shots in the dark in later rounds on some guys that didn't rise to the top, but during his entire coaching career, how many seasons did Holmgren spend looking for a QB? Not many, if any at all. He always had one. Kinda hard to crack the starting lineup when you have a perennial starter in front of you that never goes down with injury.

[Alo]

Originally Posted by Shep

Seattle (as GM/Coach)

1999, Brock Huard
2001, Josh Booty
2002, Jeff Kelly
2003, Seneca Wallace
2005, David Greene

No Brunells or Hasselbecks here, when Holmgren had complete control.

Until 2003. Haskell was in love with David Greene - that wasn't a Holmgren pick.

[mz.]

I still don't get the rationale opening quarterback threads if you don't want to talk about quarterbacks.

It's not like the thread is titled "Surprise Topic Inside!"

[Inspecta]

Originally Posted by Shep

I think you're busting for no good reason... but no hard feelings.

It's just a discussion. I think it's repeated so often around here that we get the sense that every QB Holmgren drafts goes on to greatness. Or that he "knows QBs" so well that he finds only steals in later rounds.

Neither is true. That's a valid point to make AND discuss!!

Nobody's tearing anybody down. I actually like Holmgren quite a bit. But I also like truth and reality.

Nobody deals in absolutes around here, yes the prevailing opinion is that Mike can find good QB's in the later rounds, that does not mean his judgment is absolute. However can you name me one football guy who is active today who you'd rather have than Mike Holmgren when you want to find a good QB beyond round 1?

[Shep]

Two things:

1. If you don't like QB threads, why are you such a regular? Is it that you like discussing quarterback threads more than quarterbacks? Is it me (duh)?

2. Why is your participation in every discussion entirely beside the actual point, and more about the poster and the merits of the thread?

3. Why do we keep pretending that quarterback threads AREN'T the most popular ones on this site? The market decides... and over and over it decides that quarterback threads rule.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Because the other QB threads are tiring out and we need yet ANOTHER one? To illustrate Mike Holmgren has no clue what he is doing, and that Colt McCcoy will never ever ever ever be anything, perhaps?



Nah, we need to hear about it again. And again. And again. And again. And again.



And that is the main reason most of these QB threads exist, as well as a HUGE reason behind tearing Holmgren down. Because Holmgren who is recognized in the NFL as a... anyone? QUARTERBACK GURU looked at the fag from Westlake Village and said "i'll pass.Not a franchise QB."



Come on, not fair. You know he thinks he knows more then Holmgren. Shit in Sheps eyes the kid stocking shelves at Blockbuster Video for a living knows more about QB's then Holmgren. Then again, the kid WAS pimping the shit outa Jimmy Fucknuts.





Shhhh, we'll have none of that in here. Can't you see? All his GOOD QB's were someone elses doing. We're not giving him credit for anything anymore, he was just a dare I say... coffee fetcher for Walsh and Wolf while they did all the work.

[Shep]

Originally Posted by Alo

Until 2003. Haskell was in love with David Greene - that wasn't a Holmgren pick.

Wait...

I don't get that one. Holmgren was the GM. What was Haskell?

[samoth]

I'm all for open discussion, but Shep all you ever do is parrot whatever the guys at OBR say and then tear down the people making the real decisions. You backed Joey Harrington, you backed Brady Quinn, but you don't back Holmgren who actually has a track record with training QBs? Sometimes I think you are just trolling the hell out of this forum (and if you are, good work because it seems pretty effective) but the rest of the time I think you really do consider yourself some sort of guru when in reality you don't know shit about quarterback analysis, but continually throw your ever-changing opinions against the wall until one sticks.

[Shep]

Originally Posted by Inspecta

Nobody deals in absolutes around here, yes the prevailing opinion is that Mike can find good QB's in the later rounds, that does not mean his judgment is absolute. However can you name me one football guy who is active today who you'd rather have than Mike Holmgren when you want to find a good QB beyond round 1?

I'd have to think about it.

I'd look around at the top young QBs and start with that. I like the move the Jets made to get Sanchez. I like the Aaron Rodgers pick, made even though Favre was there.

I don't think FINDING good quarterbacks after round 1 has been the Holmgren strong suit you want to make it. As a GM, his best was Seneca Wallace.

Along with Wolf, he had more misses than hits. Overall, I say Holmgren was 2 of 11 finding future starters for other teams in later rounds.

I don't think Holmgren has ever been accused of being a personnel guru. His claim to fame is developing quarterbacks.

My concern with the McCoy pick is that Holmgren asserted one of his lesser skills, his personnel acumen. If the whispers are true, Heckert wasn't on board.

[sofakingwhat]

Originally Posted by Inspecta

So what exactly is the point of the thread?

Are you asserting that Holmgren is indeed NOT perfect when it comes to picking QB's?

If that was your entire point, then we might need to file this thread in "D" for "Duh"

Shep, we are all well aware that you don't like the McCoy pick. We get it, trust us. WE GET IT.

I just don't understand why you feel the need to tear down the most established, respected and decorated football guy we've had running our team since we came back. And the sole reason this thread exists is because he did not pick the QB you wanted him to pick.

So let's see, who do you think knows more about QB's. Shep or Mike Holmgren?

I'm not trying to bust your balls too much fella, but you create these types of threads then look around bewildered when you get negative push back. It's a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts "Everybody attacks me all the time" then you go and throw pieces of raw meat out there like this thread to ensure exactly that happens.

So to go back to the thread topic, yeah Mike took a lot of shots in the dark in later rounds on some guys that didn't rise to the top, but during his entire coaching career, how many seasons did Holmgren spend looking for a QB? Not many, if any at all. He always had one. Kinda hard to crack the starting lineup when you have a perennial starter in front of you that never goes down with injury.

Shep doesn't like the McCoy pick? Since when?

[Alo]

Originally Posted by Shep

Wait...

I don't get that one. Holmgren was the GM. What was Haskell?

Holmgren gave up his GM duties after the '02 season.