It seems that you are unregistered. Please register with us by clicking here.
Barking Hard - Cleveland Browns Forum  
Go Back   Barking Hard - Cleveland Browns Forum > NFL > The Cleveland Browns
Click to log in with Facebook Barking Hard Fan Club Forum Group @ Twitter

The Cleveland Browns Place for all discussion about our beloved Browns.


front page of espn!!!!!!!

The Cleveland Browns


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
ramrod's Avatar
Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Socal
Posts: 2,363
Rep Power: 16
ramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to behold
Default front page of espn!!!!!!!



Mangini The Man ... For Now

Eric Mangini has a vision. But he needs time. Wins will buy him some in Cleveland. John Clayton » Schefter: Cribbs notes on Cleveland »Browns QBs on bus Rankings: Browns 28th »Blog »




BEREA, Ohio -- In the house that Mike Holmgren is remodeling, Eric Mangini still has free reign.

A year ago, team owner Randy Lerner went against the wishes of some of his advisers and hired Mangini to run the Cleveland Browns. Lerner liked Mangini's energy, ideas and plan. He allowed Mangini the chance to shape the Browns in his image. Mangini cleaned out the locker room of players he didn't think fit. Big names such as Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow and others were replaced by players of Mangini's choosing.



But a 5-11 season damaged Mangini's credibility among fans, so Lerner hired new team president Holmgren, who was responsible for major rebuilding successes in Green Bay and Seattle. Though he struggles daily with whether he wants to coach again, Holmgren, respectful of bright, young coaches, had Mangini's back and kept him as the coach.
What's clear in visiting the Browns is that this is a Mangini-built team, manufactured by the type of smart, heady football players who grasp the coach's detailed concepts and ability to learn multiple positions. Mangini maneuvers players like chess pieces, hoping to outsmart his opponents.

What's also clear is if the team fails again this year, Mangini will have no excuses and probably no job.

Here are the main observations from camp.

1. The true test of the Mangini system is how the linebacking corps works out. Like Bill Belichick, Mangini is willing to sacrifice quality for quantity as long as the masses assembled are good, smart football players. Kamerion Wimbley was the 13th player selected in the 2006 draft, but in 2009 under Mangini he rarely showed flashes of his 11˝-sack rookie season. Today, Wimbley is a Raider.

Mangini moved away from Andra Davis, a 2008 starter. Through two offseasons, Mangini has assembled the type of smart linebackers that fit his system -- Matt Roth, Scott Fujita, Chris Gocong, Eric Barton, Jason Trusnik, David Veikune, Marcus Benard and Kaluka Maiava. They are interchangeable parts in Mangini's different packages.

Inside linebackers line up on the outside on some plays. Outside linebackers line up on the inside at times. This linebacking corps could be the disciples of the "No-Name Defense" that defined the Miami Dolphins teams of the early 1970s.

The only surviving linebacker from the Romeo Crennel regime is inside linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, who might be the team's second-best defensive player behind nose tackle Shaun Rogers. As hard as it was to lose a close friend in Wimbley, Jackson loves what he sees from Mangini's mass of linebackers. He sits with them in meeting rooms and marvels at their attentiveness and how they carry the coach's concepts to the field. The concern from outside the organization is whether there is enough athleticism or playmaking ability from the position. As Jackson points out, this unit should be good against running teams, but this is a passing league, and there aren't many candidates who could put up double-digit sack totals.

2. By far, the cornerback position is the most improved on the team. It might be one of the most improved positions of any I've seen early on during this training camp tour. I remember the Browns' surprising 10-6 season and how thin they were at cornerback in 2007.

[+] Enlarge Jason Miller/US PresswireBrowns coach Eric Mangini (left) knows team president Mike Holmgren (right) is manning the controls.



Leigh Bodden was the starter, but Crennel had to rush rookies Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald into the No. 2 and No. 3 roles because there weren't other options. Since then, Wright and McDonald have started on pass defenses that ranked 26th and 29th, respectively, the past two years. The Browns not only traded for Pro Bowl alternate Sheldon Brown, but they made Joe Haden the seventh pick in the NFL draft.



Mangini now has the ability to match up against any four-receiver package in football. What was impressive in drills is how the Browns' corners can contest just about every pass. They looked particularly sharp in man coverage on plays in the end zone. Brown, Wright and Haden can succeed in press coverage, and McDonald does well in zones. The concern is whether the front seven can generate enough pass rush so these four corners aren't in coverage too long. As a former secondary coach, Mangini probably will take advantage of their coverage skills to blitz more, but if the blitzers don't get to the quarterback, the corners will be exposed.
3. Don't expect anything out of Colt McCoy, who has clearly replaced Brady Quinn as the fans' hope for the quarterback position. McCoy shows some flash for his leadership and willingness to step up and make crisp throws. Still, the former Texas star is not tall, he has passes batted down at the line of scrimmage and still is a little tentative because he's thinking through the plays instead of being instinctive. That's a typical rookie thing.

The plan is to sit McCoy this season. Holmgren brought in Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace to make the quarterback position stable, but their most important mission aside from winning is determining whether 2009 draft choices Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie are legitimate NFL starting receivers.

Blame it on the schemes or the throwing talent, but Quinn and Derek Anderson didn't get much out of the two second-round receivers from a year ago. Massaquoi caught 34 passes. Robiskie caught seven. Say what you want about Delhomme and Wallace, but they are established quarterbacks and their experience can bring out some of the qualities in these receivers. This still might end up being a 15-point-a-game offense this year, but Delhomme and Wallace will give the personnel office a true look at whether it will need to draft receivers next year.


What would be a disaster for the Browns is if Massaquoi and Robiskie -- who aren't really explosive -- fail. If the receivers fail to blossom, the Browns could be drafting high and forced to take a Jake Locker or an Andrew Luck at quarterback despite the presence of McCoy on the roster. As the Browns have found out, franchise quarterbacks are hard to find, because this franchise hasn't found one yet.
John Clayton, a recipient of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people
because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
-Thomas A. Edison
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
OconRecon's Avatar
The Dude Abides
Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Chief BlueJacket's town
Posts: 1,565
Rep Power: 20
OconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant futureOconRecon has a brilliant future
Default

I like Mangini. Kind of did all last year. He was steady through the rough days, made little excuses, and showed patience. Maybe it's because the Jets fired a guy that went 9-7. It just seemed unfair. Maybe because he was on the Sopranos. Hell, I don't know, but let's just hope he works out for our Browns. Good read Ram.
__________________
Twitter @OconRecon - Browns, Irish, Tribe & tech
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
ramrod's Avatar
Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Socal
Posts: 2,363
Rep Power: 16
ramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to behold
Default

Never liked Mangini until he came here. I think he is the right guy for the job, if he wins nobody will question him and what he does.

I liked him last year but with Holmgren coming in you get a feel that Mangini is changing some of his "not so good" ways. With Holmgren and Mangini working on this thing, I cant see how we wont be a good team in a year or two. Or when we get a QB
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people
because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
-Thomas A. Edison
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
ramrod's Avatar
Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Socal
Posts: 2,363
Rep Power: 16
ramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to behold
Default

check out the video of Colt and Delhomme. They're two peas in a pod.


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=543...goryid=2459789
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people
because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
-Thomas A. Edison
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
BernietheKid's Avatar
Surrounded by Booze and A**holes!
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Parma, OH
Posts: 2,809
Rep Power: 27
BernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond reputeBernietheKid has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ramrod View Post
check out the video of Colt and Delhomme. They're two peas in a pod.


On The Road To Camp: Browns' QBs - ESPN Video - ESPN

I saw it this morning. I thought it was good because it showed that they both know their places as mentor and student. The more I hear McCoy talk the more I'm impressed.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
Danamal's Avatar
Senior Member
Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Philly,Pa
Posts: 1,904
Rep Power: 16
Danamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud of
Default

Wins do alot for you,
Losses not so much.

Dude that sig is just way to "loud" for this place,you might want to consider downsizing or replacing that thing,just a thought.
__________________
Who is Pat Shurmur and why is he the Browns’ new head coach?
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
ramrod's Avatar
Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Socal
Posts: 2,363
Rep Power: 16
ramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danamal View Post
Wins do alot for you,
Losses not so much.

Dude that sig is just way to "loud" for this place,you might want to consider downsizing or replacing that thing,just a thought.

It was a bet between ProphetKing and myself and I lost.
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people
because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
-Thomas A. Edison
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
Danamal's Avatar
Senior Member
Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Philly,Pa
Posts: 1,904
Rep Power: 16
Danamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud ofDanamal has much to be proud of
Default

You sure did,
Thats really gay.
Not that theres anything wrong with it.
__________________
Who is Pat Shurmur and why is he the Browns’ new head coach?
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
ramrod's Avatar
Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Socal
Posts: 2,363
Rep Power: 16
ramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to beholdramrod is a splendid one to behold
Default

actually I think the bet is over. Im changing right now
__________________
"Opportunity is missed by most people
because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
-Thomas A. Edison
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
Greythan's Avatar
Senior Member
Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Dublin, OH
Posts: 1,595
Rep Power: 28
Greythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond reputeGreythan has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I'm a Mangini supporter. Doesn't mean I'm a homer as the only thing that matters is results.

Considering the disaster in last year's front office, I find it somewhat amazing that this team put together its late season winning streak. Mangini may have played a role in creating the disaster but you have to consider his embracing of Holmgren. I also think Mangini is likely happy to be back in the sole role of "coach" with the type of executive organization above him.

This is his proving year. If the Browns play hard and show development, we may have our coach. If not, we'll know that too. So, at this point I'm viewing the Mangini glass as half full for sure.

Can't wait for Friday when I hit training camp myself!
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
Flugel's Avatar
Senior Member
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 3,251
Blog Entries: 2
Rep Power: 47
Flugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' memberFlugel is a Barking Hard 'core' member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ramrod View Post
actually I think the bet is over. Im changing right now
LOL! At least you honored the bet Ram. Next time you gotta negotiate an irresistable double or nothing kind of deal. The warden falls for those all the time at my mailing address.

Football wise, I like the direction of where our team was going the last 4 weeks of 2009. I would hate to see that momentum die. It's fun to be excited.
- Tom F.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2010
Crow's Avatar
The Deceptive Man
Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,022
Rep Power: 26
Crow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Ram wanted a quality funny sig, I delivered.
__________________
I need you to believe.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
barkinghard, blitz, board, brady quinn, brandon mcdonald, braylon edwards, browns, cleveland, cleveland browns, colt mccoy, controls, cornerback, cribbs, defense, delhomme, derek anderson, draft, eric mangini, eric wright, espn, fantasy football, football, forum, funny, gocong, haden, holmgren, jets, love, mangini, massaquoi, matt roth, mccoy, mike holmgren, nfl, nfl draft, offense, position, president, quarterback, robiskie, scheme, shaun rogers, sheldon brown, trade, training camp, video, wallace, ward, wimbley

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:02 AM.


plush
no new posts
Inactive Reminders By Icora Web Design

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0