"Over/Under" on How Long Delhomme Starts?

[mz.]

Originally Posted by OconRecon

I guess the Big Show knows a thing or two.

While true, in fairness, we had absolutely nowhere to go but up. Not sure Delhomme/Wallace is a stroke of genius or anything.

Signing Kyle Boller and Chris Simms would have been an improvement over last season.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by mz.

While true, in fairness, we had absolutely nowhere to go but up. Not sure Delhomme/Wallace is a stroke of genius or anything.

Signing Kyle Boller and Chris Simms would have been an improvement over last season.

There's a reason Kyle Boller was named after a sport featuring gutter balls. There's another reason someone that thinks as clearly as Al Davis signed him. Chris Simms is in TN doing all he can to hang onto his NFL career. If you're gonna tell us numerous times how depressing the signing of Jake Delhomme was - give us something better than freakin Kyle Boller & Chris Simms.

Understanding Donovan McNabb wasn't the least bit interested in closing out his career for a franchise on turbulent waters for the last 11 years, who EXACTLY were all the superior options we had? I'm pretty sure Heckert's ties to Philly could have gotten him OUTSIDE the division with ease if McNabb wanted to go that direction. Nobody wants a superstar they're trading to stay in their division and land on a rival so let's not play pretend Mcnabb wanted to be in Cleveland or Heckert would have made that happen rather easily. And let's not forget Andy Reid trained under Holmgren so there were additional ties for that to happen if it were possible.

Let's explore all these alleged gorgeous options we had with supply and demand:
Sam Bradford? Holmgren was the ONLY Exec the media reported any diligent trade efforts from. He was the only QB deemed startworthy as a rookie in this draft as round 1 clarified. And how startworthy did he appear against us?

So who else from the vets? If they brought Jason Campbell here - they would have been chased into and under Lake Erie. I don't give the 1st rat about his 4th quarter compensation stats on days his team wasn't competing for the first 3 quarters. And guess who's ALL in on him? Al Davis. We haven't heard him say "just win baby" in quite some time. Who else was so readily available? People make it sound like Matt Schaubs are just sitting on tree branches.

Bottom line: The Seneca Wallace currently intriguing people was a 1 year transfer in to Iowa State from small school America. Not that Iowa State is considered among the biggest of DI schools. He played in a spread that ran alot of QB options and he was project to clipboard material when drafted. Well, he's 29 years old today with soem starting experience under his belt. HOLMGREN drafted him and brought him along the right way. I gotta feeling before there was NFL comfort in the first few outings that his best plays became scrambles/runs a la McCoy vrs Green Bay.

FWIW, when Drew Brees was cleared by Dr Andrews to resume with his football career with a excellent prognosis - nobody contested the efforts New Orleans made for the unwanted QB. And just out of curiosity, who did we have that was so awesome that we shouldn't have explored that idea more? Isn't that like the 2nd time Drew Brees got SLAMMED for not being a stereotypical QB? The first slam came from the team that drafted him and the surrounding media repetitively reporting it was obvious San Diego needed a REAL QB with their first overall pick. Evidently, their REAL QB heldout while the midget with girly arm just had a Pro Bowl year and took his team to 12 wins. That was Brees' 3rd season; BUT impatience with the process meant they blew a HUGE commitment at the 1 position they REALLY didn't need. Brees has the SB ring today right? Seems to me if they got an X-factor with that 1st overall - they might not have needed to miss a last second FG in their home playoff game.

In summary, 32 teams employing at least 3 QBs apiece severely limits the supply on such a huge demand. The question is do we want to SUCK bad enough in 2010 so we are able to draft the 1st QB in 2011? God no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Tom F.

[Shep]

I'm still wrapping my brain around how bad the Browns quarterbacking has been the last couple of years. You always wonder if it was the line or the receivers or the whole environment messing them up... but it really seems like they were just epically horrible.

Pluto said you have to go back to 1974 to find a Browns passing percentage beneath 50 prior to last year, which is boggling considering how much shorter the average pass has gotten. And then you look at both guys' completion percentage over 30 yards (round it off to zero, basically), and it gets even harder to completely grasp just how bad they were.

That said, Delhomme's numbers over 30 were just about as abysmal last year. All his numbers fit in pretty well with our team. That's why it seemed really crazy at the time... but already seems less so. And like we said, you had to figure the Holmgren factor: He ain't an idiot. You figure Delhomme had a very good explanation and could demonstrate his health and arm strength.

Then again, Holmgren drafted and acquired plenty of guys who went on to be stiffs, with David Greene and Charlie Frye being two of the recents and McCoy potentially poised to join them. He clearly doesn't have a magic wand or something.

But Delhomme/Wallace could certainly add to the legend.

[mz.]

Originally Posted by Flugel

There's a reason Kyle Boller was named after a sport featuring gutter balls. There's another reason someone that thinks as clearly as Al Davis signed him. Chris Simms is in TN doing all he can to hang onto his NFL career. If you're gonna tell us numerous times how depressing the signing of Jake Delhomme was - give us something better than freakin Kyle Boller & Chris Simms.

Understanding Donovan McNabb wasn't the least bit interested in closing out his career for a franchise on turbulent waters for the last 11 years, who EXACTLY were all the superior options we had? I'm pretty sure Heckert's ties to Philly could have gotten him OUTSIDE the division with ease if McNabb wanted to go that direction. Nobody wants a superstar they're trading to stay in their division and land on a rival so let's not play pretend Mcnabb wanted to be in Cleveland or Heckert would have made that happen rather easily. And let's not forget Andy Reid trained under Holmgren so there were additional ties for that to happen if it were possible.

Let's explore all these alleged gorgeous options we had with supply and demand:
Sam Bradford? Holmgren was the ONLY Exec the media reported any diligent trade efforts from. He was the only QB deemed startworthy as a rookie in this draft as round 1 clarified. And how startworthy did he appear against us?

So who else from the vets? If they brought Jason Campbell here - they would have been chased into and under Lake Erie. I don't give the 1st rat about his 4th quarter compensation stats on days his team wasn't competing for the first 3 quarters. And guess who's ALL in on him? Al Davis. We haven't heard him say "just win baby" in quite some time. Who else was so readily available? People make it sound like Matt Schaubs are just sitting on tree branches.

Bottom line: The Seneca Wallace currently intriguing people was a 1 year transfer in to Iowa State from small school America. Not that Iowa State is considered among the biggest of DI schools. He played in a spread that ran alot of QB options and he was project to clipboard material when drafted. Well, he's 29 years old today with soem starting experience under his belt. HOLMGREN drafted him and brought him along the right way. I gotta feeling before there was NFL comfort in the first few outings that his best plays became scrambles/runs a la McCoy vrs Green Bay.

FWIW, when Drew Brees was cleared by Dr Andrews to resume with his football career with a excellent prognosis - nobody contested the efforts New Orleans made for the unwanted QB. And just out of curiosity, who did we have that was so awesome that we shouldn't have explored that idea more? Isn't that like the 2nd time Drew Brees got SLAMMED for not being a stereotypical QB? The first slam came from the team that drafted him and the surrounding media repetitively reporting it was obvious San Diego needed a REAL QB with their first overall pick. Evidently, their REAL QB heldout while the midget with girly arm just had a Pro Bowl year and took his team to 12 wins. That was Brees' 3rd season; BUT impatience with the process meant they blew a HUGE commitment at the 1 position they REALLY didn't need. Brees has the SB ring today right? Seems to me if they got an X-factor with that 1st overall - they might not have needed to miss a last second FG in their home playoff game.

In summary, 32 teams employing at least 3 QBs apiece severely limits the supply on such a huge demand. The question is do we want to SUCK bad enough in 2010 so we are able to draft the 1st QB in 2011? God no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Tom F.

Tom, you misunderstood my point. It's wasn't that Delhomme/Wallace stink, but rather that Holmgren could have brought anyone in (hence garbage like Boller and Simms referenced) and would have looked like a genius. It was an indictment on how bad DA/Quinn are/were, not Holmgren.

But your writeup here does make sense.

[BernietheKid]

Wallace More Than Gimmick QB
		By Fred Greetham OBR Browns Reporter Posted Aug 26, 2010 | More Seneca Wallace still expects to contribute as a Browns quarterback, but in training camp and preseason games, he has shown his abilities extend beyond being a field general.
BEREA, Ohio — Some NFL observers see Seneca Wallace as a quarterback used in change-of-pace situations. He played some wide receiver in his early days with the Seattle Seahawks and he has been used in the Wildcat offense as well. Speaking of offense, Wallace paired with Josh Cribbs in a formation of the Wildcat has garnered a lot of talk. Wallace is all right with that, but he feels he brings more to the table. “My main goal is to be on the field and help out in any way I can,” Wallace said. “Right now, Jake (Delhomme) is doing a great job and my job is to do whatever I’m called upon to do.” When the Browns traded for Wallace, he was told he would get the opportunity to compete for playing time and he expects to continue to contribute. He has played with the first unit in the first two preseason games and has thrown for three touchdowns. “We talked about it a little bit when I first got here,” Wallace said. “We’ll see what happens when the regular season gets here. Hopefully, I can get on the field and help in any way I can.” Wallace's presence has been a mild surprise since his arrival. He has displayed an ability to extend plays with his feet, not to mention his rocket-like arm. “Obviously, (fans) didn’t see me play that much on the East Coast, but there are people who know I can throw the ball,” he said. “I just wanted to come in here and do what they asked me to do. I can’t worry about what my role will be in the Wildcat or whatever. My main objective is to help us win games.” The Browns worked a lot on formations with Cribbs and Wallace in the backfield during training camp, but have yet to use it in a preseason game. Wallace isn’t worried about showing it in games that don’t count. “With Cribbs back there and me back here it could be difficult to stop,” he said. “You don’t want to let teams see what you got. You can wait until the regular season and you bring it out. Obviously, when you put the ball in Cribbs’ hands, he can make things happen.” Notebook Massaquoi Ready to Play: Wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi missed the Rams preseason game with a hamstring injury suffered against the Packers. He returned to practice Tuesday and says he’s full go. “Yeah definitely, I’m ready,” Massaquoi said. “You work all off season for this and you’re ready to roll. “You love to play the game and you want to be out there with your teammates with all the work you’ve put in and show what you can do.” Massaquoi had three receptions for 32 yards in the preseason opener against the Packers. He was the team’s leading receiver in 2009 with 34 receptions for 624 yards and three touchdowns. Hardesty Back: Running back Montario Hardesty was back on the practice field today after missing all of training camp with a knee injury. He is not expected to play Saturday against the Lions. Francies off PUP: Cornerback Coye Francies was taken off the PUP list and is able to resume practice.

Scout.com: Wallace More Than Gimmick QB

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by mz.

Tom, you misunderstood my point. It's wasn't that Delhomme/Wallace stink, but rather that Holmgren could have brought anyone in (hence garbage like Boller and Simms referenced) and would have looked like a genius. It was an indictment on how bad DA/Quinn are/were, not Holmgren.

But your writeup here does make sense.

Ok, I see what you meant. Sorry about that Mz!

Yaaa, DA & Quinn were terrible.

- Tom F.

[NDneighbor]

The start total for Jake Delhomme in a Browns uniform now stands at "3" and counting.

It appears updating this thread won't really be necessary any longer.

Jake has shown he's still an NFL starter.

It's unfortunate though that he's given the coaching staff a good reason to put him through

a slew of "ball security" drills. Those fumbles won't cut it.

[Shep]

BTW, I threw up and crapped myself watching Freckles throw behind or short on every pass over 8 yards last night.

On the upside... loving Delhomme. The guy has NEVER been a "safe" QB, and i love seeing it.

Originally Posted by NDneighbor

The start total for Jake Delhomme in a Browns uniform now stands at "3" and counting.

It appears updating this thread won't really be necessary any longer.

Jake has shown he's still an NFL starter.

It's unfortunate though that he's given the coaching staff a good reason to put him through

a slew of "ball security" drills. Those fumbles won't cut it.

[BernietheKid]

Jake Delhomme's preseason play eases Cleveland Browns' QB concerns: 'He's been outstanding,' says Mangini

Published: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 6:23 PM Updated: Monday, August 30, 2010, 7:47 AM

May Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer

Joshua Gunter / The Plain Dealer
Whether it was the pressure of an opposing lineman or the demands of learning a new offense for a new team, Jake Delhomme has performed admirably in his first three outings with the Browns. "Jake has been amazing," said Josh Cribbs. "He's really grasped the scheme and is now able to take Brian Daboll's offense to the next level."

BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns have plenty of things to worry about before the season opener Sept. 12 in Tampa, but quarterback Jake Delhomme isn't one of them.

Delhomme, who's expected to sit out most of Thursday night's preseason finale against the Bears, has exceeded expectations this preseason. He's completing 79.2 percent of his passes, (38-of-48 for 345 yards), has thrown two touchdowns without an interception, has been sacked only once and has earned a quarterback rating of 110.5.

In Detroit, he put points on the board on three of his five possessions, counting the one-play drive on a lost fumble.

"He's been outstanding the whole preseason," said coach Eric Mangini. "He's pretty close to 80 percent completion, and the way that he runs the offense and gets us into a good play when we're not necessarily in the best situation, that's what I'm looking for out of our quarterback -- to be efficient and also be a really good decision-maker."

In one half of work in Detroit, Delhomme completed 20 of 25 attempts for 152 yards with one touchdown for a 105.3 rating. He spread the ball around out of the no-huddle offense to 10 receivers, hitting Mohammed Massaquoi with a seven-yard pass on a fourth and 2, Evan Moore with a 22-yarder, Brian Robiskie with a 23-yarder and Josh Cribbs with a impressive 30-yarder up the left sideline that led to a TD.

"Jake has been amazing," said Cribbs, who adeptly kept both feet inbounds. "He's really grasped the scheme and is now able to take Brian Daboll's offense to the next level. He's very efficient in the passing game and does a great job of spreading the ball around."

One sequence in particular will go a long way toward endearing Delhomme to Browns teammates and fans. On third and 8 at the Detroit 16, Lions rookie lineman Ndamukong Suh crashed in and grabbed Delhomme's facemask, then twisted his head and flung him to the ground. Delhomme popped up fuming and protesting, and Suh was flagged for a personal foul, which gave the Browns a first and goal at the 8.

Delhomme fumbled the snap on the next play, and Peyton Hillis recovered for a 3-yard gain to the 5. Despite adversity on back-to-back plays, a composed Delhomme found Lawrence Vickers wide open in the right flat for a 5-yard TD pass that put the Browns up, 17-7.

"'He's a cocky young fella," Jerome Harrison said of Delhomme, 35. "He's still got a lot of jazz to him. He's a quarterback that you know has your back through thick and thin. You've got to love him."

Despite the rag-doll treatment from Suh, Delhomme was happy with its outcome.
"It's good to get hit like that," he said. "The juices get really flowing and it's great because I think it was third and long and we got a first down. Anytime we can move the chains, we'll take it anyway we can get it."

Delhomme successfully sidestepped pressure and threw the ball away instead of taking the sack. On his opening drive, he was pressured from behind on third and goal and fired the ball beyond the end zone. The Browns settled for a field goal.

"You just try to work the offense and let the offense work for you," said Delhomme.

"Take what they give you and that's a big thing I'm trying to do. I'm trying to take the checkdowns, not trying to force it. Brian [Daboll] does a good job, the guys are in the right spot and that makes it nice."

Delhomme has also done well with the no-huddle, which the Browns figure to run frequently this season.

"We're trying to make it be [an asset]," he said. "We practice at a fast tempo and it really does help. Guys are in decent shape and we're going to have to be. We're going to Tampa opening day and it's going to be warm."

Delhomme has also done something that Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson seemed incapable of last season: Make the young skill players around him better.

"He does a great job of telling us what he expects of us," said Massaquoi. "He understands the game so well that it helps me and the other receivers understand it a lot better than we have."

Thanks to the good preseason work, which included 44 plays in Detroit, Delhomme feels almost ready for the season.

"Absolutely," he said. "We still have to keep moving forward, but we've been at it for well over a month and you're getting antsy, yes."

McCoy reprimanded: Rookie Colt McCoy was chastised by Mangini and Daboll on the sidelines after botching the final two plays of the game, a short pass with 26 seconds left and no timeouts that kept the clock running and a deep pass out of bounds on the final play instead of flinging it into the end zone.

"He's still growing," said Mangini. "On that short pass, you just throw it away and go to the next play. On the last play, whether there are receivers there or not, you throw it up in the end zone and see what happens. You don't throw it out of bounds. I'm chalking it up to age and inexperience and we'll get that fixed."

Sorensen resting: Safety Nick Sorensen, who absorbed a double hit to the head, visited the Browns' training facility Sunday morning and then went home to rest. He still had a headache, but was otherwise fine, a source said. It's not yet been announced whether he suffered a concussion.

Jake Delhomme's preseason play eases Cleveland Browns' QB concerns: 'He's been outstanding,' says Mangini | cleveland.com

[Shep]

If anyone doubts Mangini and Daboll are frustrated with McCoy, I think we saw it bubble over on Saturday. And yeah, the fact that they weren't in favor of picking him is part of the mix.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Shep

If anyone doubts Mangini and Daboll are frustrated with McCoy, I think we saw it bubble over on Saturday. And yeah, the fact that they weren't in favor of picking him is part of the mix.

Your fishing again shep.

[Masters]

I think EM and Dabol not wanting McCoy falls under the opinion/speculation/rumor/innudendo catagory, not the fact catagory.