Browns Draft...so far

[DawgFan]

It is VERY early, but what the heck...

Rd 1, Pick 7 (7)	Haden, Joe CB
Rd 2, Pick 6 (38)	Ward, T.J. FS
Rd 2, Pick 27 (59)	Hardesty, Montario RB
Rd 3, Pick 21 (85)	McCoy, Colt QB
Rd 3, Pick 28 (92)	Lauvao, Shawn OT
Rd 5, Pick 29 (160)	Asante, Larry SS
Rd 6, Pick 8 (177)	Mitchell, Carlton WR
Rd 6, Pick 17 (186)	Geathers, Clifton DE

Haden will be the 3rd CB, and probably starter by mid-year
Ward is the starting FS
Hardesty is in the rotation at RB
McCoy was never intended to even play this year, so no disappointment there
Lauvao looks to be starting at RG
Asante will make the squad a backup and ST player
Mitchell just may make the team
Geathers is probably the long shot of the group.

NICE!!!

[WVBrownsfan]

Yep, looking like a solid draft class so far. I'm still anxious to see what Hardesty can do.

[hammertime]

it clearly indicates that mangini couldn't draft by himself.

glad there is a brain trust of sorts now.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by hammertime

it clearly indicates that mangini couldn't draft by himself.

glad there is a brain trust of sorts now.

Well, he drafted three starters in Mack-Robo-MoMass.
Swung and missed on Veikune, and I agree he needed a GM. But he isn't a horrible drafter.

[DeadWombat]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

Well, he drafted three starters in Mack-Robo-MoMass.
Swung and missed on Veikune, and I agree he needed a GM. But he isn't a horrible drafter.

And only Mack out of any pick in last year's draft would be starting on any other team in the league.

Maybe MoMass could be a no 2 on some other team. But here he's flying as our no 1..... and just cause he is doesn't mean he's cut out for the job. Don't sugar coat what looks to be a horrible draft from last year.

[Sez.EJ]

Originally Posted by DeadWombat

Maybe MoMass could be a no 2 on some other team. But here he's flying as our no 1..... and just cause he is doesn't mean he's cut out for the job. Don't sugar coat what looks to be a horrible draft from last year.

But on the other hand..we don't know that Momass isn't going to turn into an amazing beast of a #1 either. He had no one to throw him the ball OR learn from last year and still did nearly what Crabtree did who was the top WR in the draft. I'm not saying it's going to happen this year..he still has a TON to learn.. But he could progress ..physically he's got all the tools.. so.. I just say.. right NOW your right.. but that's not to say he cannot become that guy.. Steve Smith for Carolina sat on the bench several years before becoming a star #1 guy. (we could name others..he just came to mind).. Let's hope he takes a big step this year.. and a huge one in year 3.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by hammertime

it clearly indicates that mangini couldn't draft by himself.

glad there is a brain trust of sorts now.

Indeed, though as Vegas said, Mangini didn't do all that bad everything considered. He certainly did better then Phil Savage! I'll tell ya what this indicates to me. This indicates that Tom Heckert and his handpicked staff came as advertised. It's certainly REAL early to declare anything really, BUT from the early looks at things Heckert really IS a very, VERY good drafter. If Hardesty lights it up that's three straight hits, the project QB, then a hit with Lauvao. When was the last time we had a draft where four players could step in on day one and contribute?

I will say, i'm excluding the later round guys from this evaluation. The later rounds are basically a crapshoot, you pick up some projects to work on. Sometimes they pan out, other times now. The bread and butter are rounds 2-5 with round 1 being the impact guy who you see as becoming elite. So far so good(when was the last time we could say that?) but DAMN i'm happy to have Tom Heckert in charge. A few more drafts like that and we'll be set for years.

[DawgFan]

As for last year...

• C Alex Mack, California (1st round, #21)
• WR Brian Robiskie, Ohio State (2nd round, #36)
• WR Mohamed Massaquoi, Georgia (2nd round, #50)
• DE/LB David Veikune, Hawaii (2nd round, #52)
• LB Kaluka Maiava, USC (4th round, #104)
• CB Don Carey, Norflok State (6th round, #177)
• CB Coye Francies, San Diego State (6th round, #191)
• RB James Davis, Clemson (6th round, #195)
• Also received QB Brett Ratliff, S Abram Elam, and DE Kenyon Coleman in trade with Jets.

Mack is a starter and very good
Robo is now a starter and looking sharp
MoMass was a starter and still is at least a legit #2
Veikune has gotten press that he has improved as much as Robo
Maiava is a backup, but playing
Carey is gone
Francies is still around
Davis has a chance to get some carries this year (I think he sticks around)
Elam and Coleman may not be stars, but they are starting for now

In other words, we have 5 starters and at least 2 backups from that group. Not bad either.

[Jax Dawg]

The day after the draft when many on here were bashing the picks I made a thread saying we just got 4 guys who will start at some time this season. When you combine that with the 6-7 starters the Browns got in FA/trades this is going to be a much better team.

I liked the draft a lot then and still do, well done Heckert!

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by DeadWombat

And only Mack out of any pick in last year's draft would be starting on any other team in the league.

Maybe MoMass could be a no 2 on some other team. But here he's flying as our no 1..... and just cause he is doesn't mean he's cut out for the job. Don't sugar coat what looks to be a horrible draft from last year.

Matter of perspective I guess. Mangini isn't what I would consider HC and GM material. One of the best HC's in history (Holmgren) couldn't do both. But Mangini added players that allowed us to win those last 4 games. That's a start. It's undoubtedly because he wants character guys, something H3 agrees with.

I don't think I sugarcoated anything. Just don't think he is a horrible a football guy as you imply. Opie did it 24-7 and Mangini was light years better. And he also had to coach.

MoMass and Robo and Cribbs and Stuckey - hard to evaluate these guys with the pile of poo playing QB last season. That's not an opinion that's a fact. We don't have a #1 WR. But then again until Moss came to NE, Brady never had one either and he won 3 SB's. Hasn't won one since.

[kydawgfan]

As far as im concerned the jury is still out on last years draft picks including veikune either way last years draft is already better than anything savage produced minus joe thomas with mack alone...

But this years draft under tom heckert i already deem a major success, heckert is the real deal and i like a gm thats not afraid to take a chance on guys under the radar with injury flags like ward and hardesty..
This kind of player is generally pro ready and battle hardened and will give it their all, they are usually impact players when healthy and love the game and thats why they get injured to begin with..

[hammertime]

my comment was mostly tonge in cheek.

i don't beleive any 1 person can nail a draft alone.

His help drafting this past year shows consistancy that needs to be maintained for multiple drafts in a row.

my only real beef from the first draft is the damn hawaiins.