DQJ Coming Back Soon?

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

Been saying that since he got here. His D always ranks pretty low. He had a lot of years in OAK to define and dictate what kind of DC he is, and a scheme shouldn't take 5 years. He never has impressed me. But - he is my DC so I will see how it goes.

QFT. We should have brought Mike Nolan in last year OR this year. Now THAT guy can polish turds into respectability.

That said i'm with Masters fully on all accounts. DQ needs to be WILB strictly and the QB of the defense needs to go to the SILB we NEED to pick up. D'Qwell isn't bad, he isn't horrible, and he isn't a liability BUT he shouldn't be the guy to carry the defense every game. We've needed THAT guy for years, probably still do.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

QFT. We should have brought Mike Nolan in last year OR this year. Now THAT guy can polish turds into respectability.

That said i'm with Masters fully on all accounts. DQ needs to be WILB strictly and the QB of the defense needs to go to the SILB we NEED to pick up. D'Qwell isn't bad, he isn't horrible, and he isn't a liability BUT he shouldn't be the guy to carry the defense every game. We've needed THAT guy for years, probably still do.

At this point I'd take somebody at any position that is the enforcer on D. Somebody fire up this defense and rip off some heads.

[Jax Dawg]

According to the Browns injury report released yesterday, DQJ was the only player ruled out for Sunday's Game against the TB Bucs. Sorenson won't play either because he still hasn't practiced since he was KO'd in the Detroit game but wasn't ruled out yet.

[DawgFan]

before anyone throws Ryan under the buss for his Raiders days...just keep in mind your thoughts and comments about the guy in charge over there during the off-season.

Al Davis has destroyed more coaches and assistant coaches through bad drafting, terrible trades, and meddling than any owner I can think of. And for Ryan to not only survive as long as he did, but to actually catch several teams eyes for being talented really says a lot about the guy.

His schemes are all that kept the Browns in games last year. We had zero talent and even less depth on D and he still got it done, especially down the stretch.

I think what we saw in preseason was the Browns doing what GOOD teams do...try out the new guys and new schemes so they know what works ON TOP OF the base package.

I really think the Browns D is going to surprise a lot of you, and a lot of teams, this year.

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by DawgFan

before anyone throws Ryan under the buss for his Raiders days...just keep in mind your thoughts and comments about the guy in charge over there during the off-season.

Al Davis has destroyed more coaches and assistant coaches through bad drafting, terrible trades, and meddling than any owner I can think of. And for Ryan to not only survive as long as he did, but to actually catch several teams eyes for being talented really says a lot about the guy.

His schemes are all that kept the Browns in games last year. We had zero talent and even less depth on D and he still got it done, especially down the stretch.

I think what we saw in preseason was the Browns doing what GOOD teams do...try out the new guys and new schemes so they know what works ON TOP OF the base package.

I really think the Browns D is going to surprise a lot of you, and a lot of teams, this year.

Agree 100%.

[mohican]

Originally Posted by Shep

I just don't have another example of a bad linebacker leading the NFL in tackles. Maybe I'm wrong.

If Andra Davis and Wali Ranier didn't accomplish this, they came close.......

[Enigmatic Evil]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

At this point I'd take somebody at any position that is the enforcer on D. Somebody fire up this defense and rip off some heads.

I agree 100%. The main reason I have been so spiteful of the Kellen Winslow trade was because he was that kind of our player on offense. He may have had his gripes with the team but when he was on the field he played to win and he made everyone as worked up as he was. That kind of player is the kind of player we need on defense. We have some personalities who might be able to grow into that archetype but it's just a matter of taking the initiative to rally the troops. I agree that we need a 'motivational leader' on defense.

[PB&J]

Originally Posted by mohican

If Andra Davis and Wali Ranier didn't accomplish this, they came close.......

I'll give you Davis, but still, even then he had 149 tackles in 2005 - fifth in the NFL. Vilma had the most with 169.

Wali.. not even remotely close. In 2001, his "best year," he had 82 tackles. Ray Lewis had 161.

[Alo]

The guys who rack up high tackles even when they aren't really good are the Tampa 2 LBs. Paris Lenon had 121 tackles in '08 on a bad Lions T-2 defense. And Cato June had crazy tackle numbers in Indy (143 tackles in '06) but looked like a mediocre player after he left via free agency.

[Shep]

Originally Posted by Alo

The guys who rack up high tackles even when they aren't really good are the Tampa 2 LBs. Paris Lenon had 121 tackles in '08 on a bad Lions T-2 defense. And Cato June had crazy tackle numbers in Indy (143 tackles in '06) but looked like a mediocre player after he left via free agency.

Great stuff, A. Man, NFLN needs you. That's Football Outsiders stuff.

What about the 3-4? Seems like an ILB leading the league in tackles in the 3-4... and when he's gone a SAFETY has to make the tackles... that's tough to take.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by ramrod

#3!!!!! In my book thats pretty damn good.

At the end of the day the Raiders and the Browns have had the same caliber of talent. And its not good at all. Put him on as the defensive cordinator with the Jets and I guarantee you that its a top 5 defense. Rex Ryan has the defensive personell in New York and he had it with the Ravens. Thats the only difference. Get him some players and he will do good. No secret there. Cant make stallions out of donkeys.

2004 - 30th (22nd vs Run)
2005 - 27th (25th)
2006 - 3rd (25th)
2007 - 22nd (31st)
2008 - 27th (31st)

My problem with Ryan (the Rob version, not the Rex version) is he never seems to develop a scheme to stop the run. He was there for 5 seasons and his run defense got worse, not better. Now I understand players are needed and skill players matter, but it seems to me that his defenses give up big runs because guys "are not in their fits" or because of people out of position.

Now being a Browns fan I tend to give the benefit of the doubt anyway, so I am pulling for Rob. He is a likeable guy and a great interview, and many players who speak about him call him a brain, and a good defensive strategist. Could also be he is very cool to play for, too.

Anyway, the fact of the matter is in this division you need to stop the run. Plain and simple, the AFCN features cold weather teams that like to run the ball.

I look at the numbers and the defense vs the run got worse? How does that happen? Skill players alone cannot be used as an excuse - this is the NFL, so make it happen.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Shep

3. On Gocong, Veg, I've read some things that Ryan and Mangini think it's perfect for him for two reasons: One, he plays well going forward but not backward (like in coverage)... and Ryan's defense really benefits from pressure up the middle. He has great explosion unlike any other candidates for the spot. He's a natural inside blitzer and hit some QBs in preseason (including Feeley).

I must have missed that explanation, but it makes sense.

And back to DQJ - he certainly is a starter in this league, and I buy the notion that he needs a "Lewis" next to him vs him assuming the role of he "Lewis."

DQJ just doesn't pop off the page much. He is more of a clean up tackler rather than a playmaker. Hopefully some of the new LB's help him get into position more to make plays, because he certainly doesn't make a lot of them. He is just a step above Andra Davis. I think we were all happy to see him start.

Tackles are a lot like completed passes. If you dink and dunk for yardage, but no points? Well it's like tackles without the playmaking.