The END of the NFL

[jason j]

"What is overlooked is that they either go real low or real high. This way they avoid the blunt stoppage that puts the body to a halt quickly to both the hitter and the hittee."

Well said Riff.

-jj

[Greythan]

Low doesn't bother me if its a form tackle.

Clarence Scott was the most fundamentaly sound tackler I've ever seen. All the guy did was hit guys at knee level, wrap, and roll. Everyone hit tackled went down. He NEVER hit anyone hard. Wasn't his goal. The goal was to stop the forward progress of the ball carrier as surely as possible.

I know what Riff's getting at which is the low "hit" versus the low tackle. I'm in agreement there.

I just amazes me how little control the coaches seem to have over this stuff. Its like an epidemic of poor fundamentals. I'm willing to bet a team that focused on pure, boring, form tackling would be a top 10 defense year in and year out.

[Fan Of STEEL]

Originally Posted by DaBrowns41

It's not apart of the game to intentionally hurt people. A part of the game is to make the tackle saving a first down. Not trying to put the player on the bench and ruin his life.

There are ways to make a crushing, legal hit. But leading your helmet into another players as hard as you can at full speed... That's another story.

I'm all for the game being tough. You can't be a sissy and play the sport. But you also shouldn't have to be worried that a 260 pound linebacker that runs a 4.5 is running full speed at you with his helmet aimed right at your head.

You've been taught since the 2nd grade how to form tackle. Why don't you make a form tackle, and earn your paycheck.

Actually it is very much a part of the game. If you played football ever you were taught to inflict as much punishment as possible to the opposing player. You WANT to hurt them. You don't want to kill them or end their career but you want to slow them down. This happens by wearing your opponent down through HITTING them. Leading with your head should be a penalty but what they are talking about doing has nothing to do with leading with your helmet. They are talking about HARD hits, not just hits to the head. And neither of Harrisons hits were leading with his helmet either. It's total BS and is going to change the game for the worse. If they want to make it safer remove some of the padding or safty equipment. It is what makes the players able to deliver the big hits. What you are going to see now is more career ending knee injuries to the offensive players.

[Fan Of STEEL]

Originally Posted by Bandaid

Yes, football is a violent sport,but the"new' players have taken it to a whole new level. The speed,size, and atheticism of the players today are taking collisions to catastrophic level.

Wrong.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqo3PzcpiEc[/youtube]

How do you embed vids here?

[Fan Of STEEL]

Originally Posted by nickers

If Pig Ben and Cry baby ward were spearheaded Im sure they league would levy fines and suspensions the next day.

And I would complain about the fines too. I don't give a shit if it is a STEELERS player or a browns player getting hit. It's what the game is about and those hits were legal and not fined.

The steroid thing you guys have in your heads is old and lame. You blame everything on them. If your team actually played with intensity to win they would be hitting the same way... and some of them have... just not enough.

[Fan Of STEEL]

Originally Posted by Crow

fan of steel is a good guy actually if i remember correctly

he however is blinded by team loyalty here

Thanks but I don't think this has to do with team loyalty. And I'm not talking about fines or worse for purposeful helmet to helmet hits. The NFL has said they want to stop "hard hits." That is completely ignorant. The game is inherently violent. Nobody wants to see someone paralyzed or worse (even someone like ochostinko) but the entire point of the game defensively is to stop your opponent and I guarantee your teams defensive coach is teaching your players to inflict as much pain as possible to the team they are playing against. I really find this PC shit worthless in the game of football. It's not what the game is supposed to be about.

[Fan Of STEEL]

Originally Posted by Joker

I think alot of the people who comment on how the new rules are ruining the NFL and making the league "soft" are missing the bigger picture here. You can make a good tackle or even blow a guy up in a way that you don't have to subject the guy you are tackling to severe head and neck trauma.

Do you think the NFL would have fined Ward for that hit on Shipley if he was able to return to the game? Same thing goes for Harrison's hits, do you think if MoMass and Cribb's were shaken up and able to return a couple of plays later that Harrison would have got fined? These players got fined because the result of their hits causes the other players concussions. Nothing more, period.

If you think concussions are a nothing to worry about, try uh you know, "GOOGLE" and find out what a concussion really is. Maybe to satisfy you people who say that the league is going soft is that we can add fatalities at the end of plays like Mortal Kombat where you rip the person's heart out.

I am an RN. I am fully aware of what concusions do to people. Again, I'm not talking about helmet to helmet hits. Neither of Harrisons hits were helmet to helmet and if you actually watch the hits at game speed instead of slow motion you would see that Harrison was trying to make a hard hit but was not trying to hit either player in the head. Someone here said I was being blinded by team loyalty. I think people are being blinded by hate of the STEELERS because we have been winning.

[BrownieBornAndRaised]

last time i checked, the point of the defensive side of football isnt to "hurt" players its to stop them. The NFL isnt changing any rules... they are however making sure the rules in place are actually enforced. The NFL is a business, and they made the changes to the rules years ago so more players dont end up like Darryl Stingley.

[Fan Of STEEL]

OK, I'm done posting on the subject...

I know I've not been around for a while and your board sent me a message telling me to post more often... right before our game. After I went to Haiti to help with the rescue of people after the earthquake my life at home got damn damn busy. But it's football season and you guys get another chance at us in a few weeks. Good to see that at least the rivalry is going strong.

BTW, Colt did much better than I thought he would do in that game. I think you might have a keeper. But I will have to wait a few weeks to see what he looks like after teams get a chance to game plan for him.

[Fan Of STEEL]

Originally Posted by BrownieBorAndRaised

last time i checked, the point of the defensive side of football isnt to "hurt" players its to stop them. The NFL isnt changing any rules... they are however making sure the rules in place are actually enforced. The NFL is a business, and they made the changes to the rules years ago so more players dont end up like Darryl Stingley.

OK, this is the last post on the subject from me. lol

BS. They are talking about a completely new rule that is intended to stop violent hits, not the rules about spearing, helmet to helmet, etc... This rule is complete BS and is going to cause more problems than it helps. Besides the fact that obviously fans want to see hard hits... as in "he got jacked up". Why do you think those shows with these hits are so popular among players and fans alike?



Look at that video. Watch as #56 tackles Cribbs low and causes CRIBBS to duck down as harrison was already going low for the tackle. The hit was not dirty in any way and was just a part of the game.



Granted, Harrison intended to hit him hard, but he did not lead with his helmet nor did he hit him in the head. He lead with his shoulder and blew him up with his arms, just like you are taught to do.

[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by hiwaygal

ps...there's a pic of a pretty cheerleader in that story...

Actually, there are two.

[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by Fan Of STEEL

OK, this is the last post on the subject from me. lol

BS. They are talking about a completely new rule that is intended to stop violent hits, not the rules about spearing, helmet to helmet, etc... This rule is complete BS and is going to cause more problems than it helps. Besides the fact that obviously fans want to see hard hits... as in "he got jacked up". Why do you think those shows with these hits are so popular among players and fans alike?



Look at that video. Watch as #56 tackles Cribbs low and causes CRIBBS to duck down as harrison was already going low for the tackle. The hit was not dirty in any way and was just a part of the game.



Granted, Harrison intended to hit him hard, but he did not lead with his helmet nor did he hit him in the head. He lead with his shoulder and blew him up with his arms, just like you are taught to do.

Holy shit. Are you blind?

In the Cribbs gif, you can actually see Harrison take his eyes off of Cribbs & lower his head.

There's a better angle of the moMass hit where you can see the same thing.