Daboll's offense frustrating Holmgren

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Daboll’s offense frustrating Holmgren?

by Marla Ridenour on November 4, 2010 - 12:49 pm

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Through all the strange vibes and contradictory comments during president Mike Holmgren’s first state-of-the-Browns press conference since July, one thing seemed clear Tuesday. Offensive coordinator Brian Daboll’s play-calling is not helping Holmgren get over his itch to coach.
From the moment he arrived, Holmgren expressed his amazement that the Browns could win the final four games of 2009 without throwing for more than 118 yards. While the passing numbers are up — except for 85 yards at New Orleans on Oct. 24 — Holmgren still seems somewhat baffled as to why Daboll ignores the wide receivers.
Asked why the receivers have been so unproductive, Holmgren said, “There’s an emphasis to work the middle of the field here with our tight ends, our backs and then the slot receiver (Chansi) Stuckey. That’s part of it. The second part of it is we don’t throw as many balls here as I have thrown over the years, so the numbers aren’t going to be as great. The third thing I think is you have to ask yourself about the receivers, but they do not get as many touches as I am used to.
“Brian has a belief in a system and how he moves the football, how he’s going to do it and if anyone were to interfere with that too much, it would really throw a monkey wrench in most things. We are going to play it out and see what happens.”
Receiver Mohamed Massaquoi has nine catches for 115 yards and a TD and Brian Robiskie eight for 61 yards. Tight end Ben Watson leads the team’s receiving list with 30 catches (for 336 yards and two scores), followed by running back Peyton Hillis with 27 (for 193 yards and a TD), Stuckey with 21 (for 213) and Joshua Cribbs with 14 (for 185 yards and a score).
The Browns have six receiving touchdowns, which is tied for next-to-last in the league with Seattle and Carolina. Arizona is last with five. The Browns are one of 10 teams still in single digits in that category.
Asked how Daboll has done, the best Holmgren could say was that coach Eric Mangini’s staff ”is a hard-working group.” Holmgren added that broadcasters Jim Donovan and Doug Dieken hear his frustrations on game days because their booth is next to his at Cleveland Browns Stadium.
“I don’t know if you hear me yelling sometimes, but I try not to get too boisterous up there,” Holmgren said. ”You’ll see things and you’ll go, ‘Aw, gee.’ That’s the coach in me talking and I apologize for that right now.
“Whether it’s Rob Ryan, who’s a wonderful coach, they’re fine coaches, but when we start moving around on defense and do all of those things, it drives me crazy, but it works. I’m not used to that. This first year I’m getting used to a certain style. I do not question their work ethic and how hard they’re trying to get this done.”
Some of that style may come from the fastidious preparation Mangini, Daboll and Ryan learned in New England under coach Bill Belichick. On Wednesday, linebacker David Bowens admitted the Browns spend a lot of time on plays and packages that end up getting tossed on gameday.
”I think we overprepare a lot,” Bowens said. ”We have a numerous amount of sheets that we end up throwing out before Sunday.”

[hiwaygal]

Holmgren added that broadcasters Jim Donovan and Doug Dieken hear his frustrations on game days because their booth is next to his at Cleveland Browns Stadium.
“I don’t know if you hear me yelling sometimes, but I try not to get too boisterous up there,” Holmgren said. ”You’ll see things and you’ll go, ‘Aw, gee.’ That’s the coach in me talking and I apologize for that right now.

This part is interesting!!!

Man, would I love to be a fly on THAT wall!!! LOLOL

You know, Holmgren and BB came from different "coaching trees", didn't they? It stands to reason that some things are going to be inherently different. And some will always be the same.

I like the 'mix' we have with Holmgrens knowledge and some BB influence. While I don't want Holmgren to take over coaching, I do think it would be good for him to stir the pot a little and have some influence in the planning and playcalling (on both sides of the ball).

Making that 'mix' is what will make it a BROWNS way of doing things. Something other teams will emulate (like the stooler-droolers did with Rob Ryan's amoeba defense...but not with as much success).

If MH is frustrated with either side of the ball, he HAS to step in and make suggestions, help these young coaches. That is part of his responsibility too.

[Tobalaz]

Since "that guy" isn't around to say it I suppose someone has to....

PROOF WE'RE GOING WCO RIGHT HERE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. Mike is going to run Dabs out of town and put in an offensive coordinator of his choice, scrap the mess we've got and bring the WCO back to where it was born.

Did I make that sound like the other guy would? I tried.

[hiwaygal]

Originally Posted by Tobalaz

Since "that guy" isn't around to say it I suppose someone has to....

PROOF WE'RE GOING WCO RIGHT HERE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. Mike is going to run Dabs out of town and put in an offensive coordinator of his choice, scrap the mess we've got and bring the WCO back to where it was born.

Did I make that sound like the other guy would? I tried.

You just don't have the same je ne sais quois, Tob...

[hammertime]

well, you figure theres got to be a lynching for a sub,sub .500 team.

why not make it dabs for sake of keeping the head coaching position stable.

i honestly have no idea what the browns will do.

[DeadWombat]

I think it's very telling that when describing Daboll, he calls him hard working... and when describing Rob Ryan, he calls him a wonderful coach.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Tobalaz

Since "that guy" isn't around to say it I suppose someone has to....

PROOF WE'RE GOING WCO RIGHT HERE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. Mike is going to run Dabs out of town and put in an offensive coordinator of his choice, scrap the mess we've got and bring the WCO back to where it was born.

Did I make that sound like the other guy would? I tried.

Not quite. Here, let me show you know it's done...... *limps up wrists a little* LaLALALALaaaaa..... *clears throat* ready....

Look there's no doubt we are going WCO after the end of this season(!) Holmgren just said so in his interview, it's right there in it! This is a passing league only now and Holmgren HAS to know that at this point. It's a major bummer he did zero to address the passing game and the sexiest, most important person EVAR the quarterback but it is clear as day in that interview we are hiring John Harbaugh, going WCO next year and drafting Andrew Luck in the first round.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Not quite. Here, let me show you know it's done...... *limps up wrists a little* LaLALALALaaaaa..... *clears throat* ready....

Look there's no doubt we are going WCO after the end of this season(!) Holmgren just said so in his interview, it's right there in it! This is a passing league only now and Holmgren HAS to know that at this point. It's a major bummer he did zero to address the passing game and the sexiest, most important person EVAR the quarterback but it is clear as day in that interview we are hiring John Harbaugh, going WCO next year and drafting Andrew Luck in the first round.

We would have to sign DA back and start him the rest of the year to be assured the spot needed to draft Luck. A few more wins under our belts and were drafting 5-10ish.

[Seesaw]

Look there's no doubt we are going WCO after the end of this season(!) Holmgren just said so in his interview, it's right there in it! This is a passing league only now and Holmgren HAS to know that at this point. It's a major bummer he did zero to address the passing game and the sexiest, most important person EVAR the quarterback but it is clear as day in that interview we are hiring John Harbaugh, going WCO next year and drafting Andrew Luck in the first round.

I don't mean to nitpick, but you forgot a key point. There was no mention of how terrible Jake Delhomo is and how stupid a signing it was in the first place. Otherwise, it was a pretty good impression (!)

[DawgFan]

I wonder why we have a less than stellar passing attack...

Could it be that...

Our starting QB played only 1/2 of a game healthy?
Our backup QB played only 3 games healthy?
Our top 2 WR's were lost for most of 1 game...and the top guy for another?
Our starting QB over the last 2 games is a 3rd round guy most agree was gonna be a project?

So....

[Legendary]

Can he step in and fire Brian Daboll and hire an offensive co-ordinator and keep Eric happy ?

[Sez.EJ]

Dabs is gone when the season is over.. done deal.. There is more to our passing woes than dabs.It's not all his fault..

That being said.. it's more than obvious Holmgren hates dabs passing offense... it's not really something dabs can correct since its a philosophical thing.. .. it will be an overhaul.. new OC.. period..

Holmgren has always ran a QB focused offense.. revolving around a passing game... He is building the team..he will build it in the image he wants.. thus similar in philosophy to what he ran as a coach.. yeah run the ball... he believes in balance.. but you better have a qb putting up 250 yards+ every game.. at least 23 or more passes. and not just 7 yard outs all the time like dabs is running.. I'm all for ball controll... but.. we need more intermediate routes.. dabs takes a shot once in a while.. but you need a steady diet of intermediate also.