Well, we're back to normal with this Jets game

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

This was another great game. The team showed guts the whole way.

Trick plays.. we did a double reverse , and tried an onside kick.. you can't live every week on trick plays.. but we did try them..

The Jets put a 10+ minute drive up in the 3rd quarter..missed the field goal.. we got the ball back and went 3 and out.. our totally exhausted defense went back on the field and still kept us in the game..I do have to say after that 10 minute drive I wanted to see two runs in a row to give us a 3rd and managable.. that's my big complaint there. We put our D in a terrible position by having them go right back out on the field.

Our D just does not hold up well to the real power running teams like the Jets.. I give the Jets credit..They probably have the best OL we have faced all year. They were doing a great job on us. We need more muscle at the MLB spots, and better DE's.. but we still kept ourselves in the game with smart football. We nearly snuck a win on a superior team... It's dissapointing in some ways and encouraging in others.

Haden again looked good.. and stood tall when Sheldon Brown went down.. He is going to be a good one.

Colt was amazing at the end of the game. This kid's poise is impressive.

This is a REALLY good post Sez! I was proud of the team. It's too bad Stuckey's 2nd effort fumble is going to be the play everybody will cling to when they look at what could have been. Just remember how helpful the kid was the prior 2 weeks. He's REALLY getting better but like Hillis - he put the football on the ground for the opponent.

That looked like the first time I saw the front 7 pushed around some. I think that's where we noticed the loss of Fujita flying up to fill. It was more bend than break. You gotta wonder if Rogers not bringning down Saycheese was more of him trying to prevent flags. We could have used that big sack.

All this said, there was no quit in this team. Before we get too far down on them - aren't the Jets an elite team that have taken about 5-6 years to get to this quality? This didn't happen in 1 year. Mangini had them 10-6 the first year there so it's a roster that has had talent for a while. Their offseason moves can be aimed more at a final x-factor such as Santonio Holmes perhaps. Our offseason moves had the following talent and depth issues to address: Safety, Corner, QB, TE, LB and the one area we didn't quite get to WR. Actually, we drafted Mitchell who looks to be wired like the Vincent jackson that needed about 3 years to emerge.

I understand frustrations but this team has turned the corner. They seem really confident they are going to win some ball games this half of the season. Do you think the Jets will agree with that? I do. There's some REALLY good teams respecting the Cleveland browns lately like the one that just beat Pitt at Pitt yesterday.
- Tom F.

[OconRecon]

Holy shit, just looked up the game summary.



Jets had 91 offensive plays compared to our 59. Holy smokes. Some were our fault with 3-and-outs, but that monster 3Q drive of theirs ate a ton of clock. Time of possession was 47:08 vs 27:36. Even in a 5 quarter game we didn't get our 2 quarters worth.

You may say we didn't stop the run, but their backs averaged 3.4 yards per carry (on a really tired defense) while Hillis averaged 4.3 on a fresh "best in the NFL" defense. He had 18 carries for 82 yards. Heck, 5 more carries and he'd have been over 100 yards.

I'm really happy with the effort, bumbed that we were a fumble away from being just 2 games back in the division (coupled with the Pats win over the Steelers), and crossing my fingers that we don't have a let-down game this coming Sunday.

[samoth]

Originally Posted by Fooleeze

In defense of Robiskie, yeah, he missed that fumble recovery. I doubt he even saw it. But. . . there were at least 2 or 3 plays that I saw him wide open when McCoy went the other direction. For some reason QBs just aren't finding him. I've been watching it all year, he gets open (maybe not as much as an 'elite' receiver would) but QBs just aren't looking for him. No idea why. One of these days Robiskie is going to have a 'good' game with several catches, and people are going to say "It's about time he started getting open. . . " and I'll say "It's about time they started throwing the ball to him."

When I was at the Atlanta game I saw the exact same thing. He and Massaquoi were wide open constantly, but nobody ever gave them looks. It's possible they are taking too long to get the seperation and our QBs are going to their next reads.

[grumpy_dinosaur]

Originally Posted by BrownieBorAndRaised

/agree 100% with you on that one alo. Hopefully this means they will have Haden start the rest of the year and put Wright in the nickle (as long as Brown is ok) Im so sick of Wright blowing coverage or missing tackles.

I was at the game as well, and unless I'm mistaken Wright actually started the game as the nickle, and Haden and Brown were the corners, Wright then slid in and took over for Brown after Failin Edwards kindly jammed his helmet into Brown's shoulder 5-6 times on the ground. Still baffled there was no flag for a personal foul.

[Thaid_Up]

Was working during the game. I got the updates and saw the highlights but just finished watching the replay and, folks, we've got alot to be proud of and even more to look forward to. This loss will not stop us and barring the injury bug we will win more than we lose the rest of the way. 13 qtrs. against the NFL's elite and we're still standing and BARKING. Sure we need some players and we'll get them but the feeling I left with is alot different than the ones I've had in previous losses. This team will grow week to week and just never quit. Can you tell I'm a fan?

[Browns_TSD]

Originally Posted by hiwaygal

This is football. And we have a team we can be proud of. Edit: Frustration is okay Wombat...but we did good today, even if the scoreboard doesn't show it.

Yes ma'am, Hiwaygal!

Browns_TSD.

[Sez.EJ]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

The Jets put a 10+ minute drive up in the 3rd quarter..missed the field goal.. we got the ball back and went 3 and out.. our totally exhausted defense went back on the field and still kept us in the game..I do have to say after that 10 minute drive I wanted to see two runs in a row to give us a 3rd and managable.. that's my big complaint there. We put our D in a terrible position by having them go right back out on the field.

Our D just does not hold up well to the real power running teams like the Jets.. I give the Jets credit..They probably have the best OL we have faced all year. They were doing a great job on us. We need more muscle at the MLB spots, and better DE's.. but we still kept ourselves in the game with smart football. We nearly snuck a win on a superior team... It's dissapointing in some ways and encouraging in others.

I hope quoting myself does not come off a arrogant, but I cut part of my post from after last weeks game as I believe it is warranted after what happened last week against the Jets. Now we are facing the Jags and Maurice Jones Drew.. Drew is one of the top backs in the nfl. He can pound it between the tackles, run by you, and can hadle a 28 carry load no problem.. We did not hold up well last week vs the run as I noted above.

I believe the key of this game is stopping the Jags run game.. Garrard is accurate and heck and rarely turns over the ball. They may be without their #1 WR Simms-Walker Sunday. but the do have other guys who can play. They beat you with play action and Garrard is good at it. They also need to keep him contained.. He can run.. We have been terrible at allowing the QB to escape and make plays against us this year.. QB's always seem to "just barely" escape our sacks.. The D needs to play under controll.

The front 7 win or lose this game this week vs the run.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

I hope quoting myself does not come off a arrogant, but I cut part of my post from after last weeks game as I believe it is warranted after what happened last week against the Jets. Now we are facing the Jags and Maurice Jones Drew.. Drew is one of the top backs in the nfl. He can pound it between the tackles, run by you, and can hadle a 28 carry load no problem.. We did not hold up well last week vs the run as I noted above.

I'm hoping this angle can make you feel a little better about it Sez. In the 9 weeks we've been watching, how many olines have done what the Jets did to Cleveland's front 7? Let's not forget NY made it all the way to the AFC Championship Game in 2009 running the ball between the tackles and throwing passes to Dustin Keller almost exclusively. That's a sign you have an elite oline in tact.

The one thing about the matchup last week is that it went to overtime; because the Jets couldn't punctuate alot of their time consuming drives with TDs in lieu of FG attempts (2 of which they missed). When they DID score their TDs - it was usually because somebody got smart and said: "let's just find Eric Wright and make things easier."

Reality is Cleveland was pretty much a fumble at the NY 35 yard line away from finishing that team off. Let's hope the Browns respond the way we think they can and take it out on Jax the same way they did it with NE and New Orleans.

I think this team has turned the corner for the better twice now. It started to compete with regularity in the 2nd half of 2009 (in comparison to the last half of 2008 and 1st half of 2009). The 2nd time this franchise turned the corner was the day Colt McCoy took over the offense. When EVERYONE has bought in that their efforts are worth it -the Browns have beaten NE, New Orleans and pressed the Jets well beyond 60 minutes of regulation.
- Tom F.

[Sez.EJ]

I saw this Rob Ryan Quote in the thread about Haden being close to starting.. I am a fan of Jags RB Maurice Jones Drew..He scares me this week....but I love Rob Ryan's colorful way of describing him.

"This guy plays with unbelievable fire and [shoot] he's hard to tackle. Like we say, he's like tackling a chainsaw. He's a load and he's got that stiff-arm going for him and he's lightning quick. This guy has got all of our respect, he's got our attention."

He is priority number one to win this week. He's 5th in the nfl right now among all RB's and can catch pretty well too.

[Legendary]

it is fairly even game and Jets only won due to luck and having better receivers than us. Cleveland lost because they didn't have the luck as the receiver didn't go off the line at vital moment. It is one of those days when every inches matter.

[hiwaygal]

Originally Posted by Flugel;92906how many olines have done what the Jets did to Cleveland's front 7? Let's not forget NY made it all the way to the AFC Championship Game in 2009 running the ball between the tackles and throwing passes to Dustin Keller almost exclusively. That's a sign you have an elite oline in tact.[B

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not wanting start an argument or anything, but the oline didn't look very elite today.

[Sez.EJ]

Rob Ryan was Right.. Tackling MJD was like tackling a chainsaw today and he chopped up our D. He broke tackles all day.. especially the long run..that was the backbreaker.