Can we fire Brian Daboll now? Please?

[DeadWombat]

Once again it was the tale of two browns teams this week: an amazing defense and a horrid offense. We were sitting on a minus 6 turnover differential with amazing defensive plays, and we still lose the game. That must be historic for the NFL.... a historic level of ineptitude. I mean, we could not have asked for more from our defense. They gifted us the ball 6 times and we responded by going 3-and-out repeatedly.


We all knew this team had a weak secondary: They're 29th in the NFL in pass defense. Yet we did nothing to take advantage of this weakness. What we did was try to run the ball down their throats and then throw to the slot reciever every once in a while... this is the same gameplan we try against every other team. There was no gameplan for this defense. Granted, we did throw a few times and even on first down in the first half.... But that didn't last. After the half, we come out and play even MORE conservatively than we did in the first half, and our offense becomes completely stagnant. We even did the infamous Hillis draw play on a 3rd and 17, which we call nearly every time we are in a 3rd and 10+ situation. I called this play before we even lined up in formation.

The playcalling just lacked any sort of creativity and was completely prediticable. Look how many times we do our run-run-pass-punt routine. Either we fail to get a first down at all and punt, or we are forced to settle for a FG in situations where we needed a TD.

1. (7:24) 40-P.Hillis up the middle to CLV 24 for 4 yards (92-A.Lane).
2. 2-6-CLE 24 (6:46) 40-P.Hillis right end to CLV 22 for -2 yards (56-J.Durant).
3. 3-8-CLE 22 (6:02) (Shotgun) 12-C.McCoy sacked at CLV 15 for -7 yards (93-T.Alualu). WATCH HIGHLIGHT
4. 4-15-CLE 15 (5:32) 2-R.Hodges punts 53 yards to JAX 32, Center-64-R.Pontbriand. 80-M.Thomas pushed ob at JAX 32 for no gain (30-E.King).

1. (7:25) 40-P.Hillis left end to JAX 45 for 3 yards (52-Da.Smith).
2. 2-7-JAC 45 (6:50) 40-P.Hillis up the middle to JAX 44 for 1 yard (96-T.Knighton).
3. 3-6-JAC 44 (6:09) (Shotgun) 12-C.McCoy sacked at CLV 48 for -8 yards (52-Da.Smith).
4. 4-14-CLE 48 (5:43) 2-R.Hodges punts 43 yards to JAX 9, Center-64-R.Pontbriand. 80-M.Thomas to JAX 11 for 2 yards (27-N.Sorensen).

(9:39) 22-M.Bell up the middle to JAX 29 for 1 yard (55-K.Morrison).
2-19-JAC 39 (8:55) 40-P.Hillis left end to JAX 33 for 6 yards (56-J.Durant).
3-13-JAC 33 (8:12) (Shotgun) 12-C.McCoy pass incomplete deep left to 11-M.Massaquoi.
4-13-JAC 33 (8:05) 4-P.Dawson 51 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-2-R.Hodges.

1. (3:22) 40-P.Hillis left end to JAX 19 for no gain (96-T.Knighton).
2. 2-10-JAC 19 (2:43) 40-P.Hillis up the middle to JAX 20 for -1 yards (59-L.Hart).
3. 3-11-JAC 20 (2:01) (Shotgun) 12-C.McCoy pass incomplete short middle to 40-P.Hillis.
4. 4-11-JAC 20 (1:54) 4-P.Dawson 38 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-2-R.Hodges.

1. (11:18) 40-P.Hillis left end to JAX 35 for no gain (55-K.Morrison).
2. 2-10-JAC 35 (10:38) 40-P.Hillis right end to JAX 33 for 2 yards (55-K.Morrison).
3. 3-8-JAC 33 (9:56) 12-C.McCoy pass incomplete short left to 80-B.Robiskie.
4. 4-8-JAC 33 (9:52) 4-P.Dawson 51 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-2-R.Hodges.

1-10-JAC 18 (3:06) 40-P.Hillis up the middle to JAX 18 for no gain (55-K.Morrison).
2-10-JAC 18 (3:00) 40-P.Hillis up the middle to JAX 16 for 2 yards (94-J.Mincey).
3-8-JAC 16 (2:55) (Shotgun) 12-C.McCoy sacked at JAX 23 for -7 yards (94-J.Mincey).
4-15-JAC 23 (2:51) 4-P.Dawson 41 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-2-R.Hodges.

That's 6 times we had the ball, and 6 times we did run-run-pass-punt.... and that's 6 times that we failed to get a first down because we did the same playcalling over and over again. You know, if the defense is stopping the run on 1st and 2nd down again and again and again.... I would assume you might want to stop running the ball up the middle on first and second down. You know.... switch things up a bit? If you're not gonna throw, at least run a sweep or reverse or something... ANYTHING other than repeatedly running Hillis straight into the Jaguars defensive line. Maybe that way, we won't set up Colt for a 3rd and long and give the Jags a reason to bring the house and force an incomplete or sack.


Every time we were able to get first downs, it was because we played aggressively and passed a lot from the shotgun. Just take a look at the Browns only offensive touchdown drive: We ran an 18 play drive and passed on 11 of those 18 plays, and we managed to make first downs and pass to Hillis in the end zone. Or look at the last two drives of the game, when we were FORCED to throw because the clock was running out: again, Colt makes throws and we get first downs. I'm sure if we had any timeouts left, Brian Daboll would be more than happy to call more runs up the middle during that last drive.



Look, bottom line is: if they're stopping your running game, and if they have a crappy secondary that gives up an average of 272 passing yards a game, then THROW THE DAMN FOOTBALL.

That is all.

[Vegasdogg]

They did throw the ball. It looks like Colt had 241 yards on 28 attempts. Actually I think we threw too much, considering if he wasn't sacked (6 times) he was running for his life. These guys had 10 sacks coming into the game and we almost gave up that many. Colt ran 4 times so that avoided 4 sacks right there.

We ran Hillis 21 times for 48 yards, in running for his life Colt had 4 carries for 39, and Mike Bell -- well he had his obligatory 1 carry 1 yard performance.

The deal is I don't think our OL should shoulder all the blame because Warhop and Daboll should have gotten a little more creative with all the stunts they ran. No adjustments is why they couldn't run the ball. If you're not dominating them upfront the best thing to do is go to your strengths, and that is running the football.

Hillis' new nickname is Avalanche: White, runs downhill, and leaves bodies laying everywhere.

Colt played very well considering the pressure he was under. 6 sacks means he didn't lob up a few pick sixes.

[DeadWombat]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

They did throw the ball. It looks like Colt had 241 yards on 28 attempts. Actually I think we threw too much, considering if he wasn't sacked (6 times) he was running for his life.

9 of those 28 passing plays came in the last 3 and a half minutes of the game. 10 if spiking the ball is considered a passing play. That's just us being desperate, not us developing a pass heavy offense against a weak secondary.

And 3 of those 6 sacks happened on a 3rd and long when we ran the ball for little gain on 1st and 2nd down.

[hiwaygal]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

They did throw the ball. It looks like Colt had 241 yards on 28 attempts. Actually I think we threw too much, considering if he wasn't sacked (6 times) he was running for his life. These guys had 10 sacks coming into the game and we almost gave up that many. Colt ran 4 times so that avoided 4 sacks right there.

We ran Hillis 21 times for 48 yards, in running for his life Colt had 4 carries for 39, and Mike Bell -- well he had his obligatory 1 carry 1 yard performance.

The deal is I don't think our OL should shoulder all the blame because Warhop and Daboll should have gotten a little more creative with all the stunts they ran. No adjustments is why they couldn't run the ball. If you're not dominating them upfront the best thing to do is go to your strengths, and that is running the football.

Hillis' new nickname is Avalanche: White, runs downhill, and leaves bodies laying everywhere.

Colt played very well considering the pressure he was under. 6 sacks means he didn't lob up a few pick sixes.

LOL at the new nickname!!!

I didn't realize it was as bad as that...holy crap SIX sacks???!?!

WTF was up with the Oline? Were they all sick or hurt or something?

[Vegasdogg]

My problem was the passes they called were taking way too long to develop. Some of the runs looked broken up before we got a chance to put the blocks in place.

Those two reasons are why I am pissed at Daboll - 5 step drops and not recognizing how to block the LB shooting the backside gaps on the running plays. You correct that IN-game Brian, not fucking Wednesday morning.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by DeadWombat

That's 6 times we had the ball, and 6 times we did run-run-pass-punt.... and that's 6 times that we failed to get a first down because we did the same playcalling over and over again

You make a good point. That is pretty shitty creative playcalling. I'm wondering why Daboll fears the short slant or the wheel route to the RB. Quick hitters on first and second down.

The problem I have is we have lost 6 games by a TD or less. In 4 of them (KC, TB, BAL, JAX) we had the lead in the 4th quarter.

Two weeks in a row a big play given up by the D lost the game.

Is this also poor playcalling on the D-coordinator as well?

If we're losing all these close games - which many of us predicted as part of the teams gritty growth while lacking talent - is it on the players or the playcalling?

[Pedros Gaff]

i forgot how to make a new thread so im goona ask it here, do you people think we should try and win out or go for a high draft pick and get daboll and mangini fired, have a oppurtnity to get aj green and make rob ryan our head coach?

[PlaygroundLegend]

Originally Posted by DeadWombat

We even did the infamous Hillis draw play on a 3rd and 17, which we call nearly every time we are in a 3rd and 10+ situation. I called this play before we even lined up in formation.

I was FURIOUS when I saw that play called.... talk about shitty coaching.....

By calling that play they sent a big red beacon warning out to all NFL defenses for the rest of the year saying

"ATTENTION: WE DO NOT TRUST OUR ROOKIE QB TO THROW DEEP, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE ARM, HE's NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT"

Now Mccoy is going to get the Brady Quinn treatment from NFL defenses until he can start completing those mid range 15-25 yard passes to beat the close coverage

[NDneighbor]

Originally Posted by Pedros Gaff

i forgot how to make a new thread so im goona ask it here, do you people think we should try and win out or go for a high draft pick and get daboll and mangini fired, have a oppurtnity to get aj green and make rob ryan our head coach?

The wins . . . always.

The next draft is of no concern on game day.

The entire coaching staff will be measured for a pass/fail grade after the season.

No NFL organization would instruct their team to go out on the field and "lay down" with the

hopes of affecting next year's draft position.

Lifelong bans would result. Especially with the track record of the current commish.

[Greythan]

We tried to adjust and pass.

Our problem?

You can cover our two outside WR with a single CB. You don't have to double them at all.

So, you bring eight in the box and pull your safeties over our TE's/RB's in coverage. Simple, and works like a charm.

I do not want to see Robiske, MoMass, Stuckey or any other of our WR corps on next year's roster. I just don't.

[slowmo411]

I think Mommas as a #2 and stuckey in the slot is good we just need a true #1.

[Shortie]

I agree with Greythan. Our biggest problem is lacking productivity from the receiving corp. They get no seperation and have no hands. Hell Wright could cover our receivers. It was an easy adjustment for Jacksonville's DC. Just rush blitz every down and let the corners cover 1-1 with our lackluster receivers.