Some reasons why we lost today *cough* St. Clair *cough*.....

[PlaygroundLegend]

that and the inability of any of our WR's to get open. St Clair had the false start penalties, plus whenever he starts, we seem to loose. I think his crappy play is causing other people on the line to pick up the slack. Colt had very little time to throw today, and when he did, there was NO ONE open....


Oh yeah, once again, today we have more proof of who we should be starting at WR



Evan fricken Moore

how is it that he constantly gets "Moore" separation than our wideouts do?

This guy needs to be on the field every day as he has GREAT size, solid speed, and pretty sick ball skills

Take St. Clair back off the line please, put Evan Moore in on every play, split wide or in the TE position, call more rollouts and quick slants.... and win the fricken game

Today might be a major message to all of you who keep touting that "great defense wins games" line, not only did our defense play insane today (6 turnovers?!?!?!), they scored a TD.

You need offense to create points after a defensive turnover, therefore offense and defense are equally important to a football team.....

Why is it that the coaches of our football team always seem to have the same problem, they never play the correct players, we have solid players on our team, sitting in the backup spots that need to see the field more, this has become the browns M.O.

Lastly, I'd like to give a shout out to Marcus Benard



Now with Fujita out, he continues to make the most out of increased playing time registering another 1 or 2 sacks today

P.s. Dez scored again today that makes 6 games in a row at least

[nmills]

Eric Steinbach was abused today much more than St. Clair

[nickers]

Steiny was pushed around like a red headed stepchild today

[Neo]

Some reasons why we lost today....hmmm....

6 Jacksonville turnovers = 7 Browns points.

[Neo]

If we would have gotten at least a fieldgoal on every turnover after the touchdown by Elam, we win.

[PlaygroundLegend]

True that is Joker, true that is

BTW, my point about St. Clair, is that when he is in the lineup, the rest of our OL plays shitty

the O-line is a unit, a machine, when one part isnt doing what its supposed to do, the rest of the parts fail....

Our RG covers for St Clair, Mack covers for the RG, Steiny covers for Mack, then Joe Thomas gets all the work he can handle, Thomas gets multiple ppl thrown his way and Steiny is covering for mack, therefore steinys man slips through or pancakes him...

look at the stats, when st. clair starts, we loose. Remember the last game Ryan tucker played, we won that one, and our o-line looked good. I say we put whomever we had at RT the last 5 games back

[Neo]

Originally Posted by PlaygroundLegend

True that is Joker, true that is

BTW, my point about St. Clair, is that when he is in the lineup, the rest of our OL plays shitty

the O-line is a unit, a machine, when one part isnt doing what its supposed to do, the rest of the parts fail....

Our RG covers for St Clair, Mack covers for the RG, Steiny covers for Mack, then Joe Thomas gets all the work he can handle, Thomas gets multiple ppl thrown his way and Steiny is covering for mack, therefore steinys man slips through or pancakes him...

look at the stats, when st. clair starts, we loose. Remember the last game Ryan tucker played, we won that one, and our o-line looked good. I say we put whomever we had at RT the last 5 games back

Sorry I didn't read your OP, I just saw the title of the thread and what I said immediately came to mind. Also, I wasn't trying to be a smartass or anything, I'm just a frustrated fan. I agree with your take on the line, they really need to shore up the right side or it's all over for us. (edit) I started getting on my dad's nerves because I was bitching up a storm because I knew we were going to lose once I saw we couldn't move the ball and capitalize off of the turnovers. This is a week to forget. I think we really took a step back this week given all the players we are missing.

[PlaygroundLegend]

I diddnt realize how much Cribbs meant to our offense

[Enigmatic Evil]

St. Clair sounds like a scapegoat to me, there were more problems than just his sub-par play which we frankly all should have seen coming. That stat with the turnovers is revolting and if our offense can't capitalize then frankly everyone needs to shoulder a little bit of the blame. A close loss, a tough loss, hopefully it will fire us up for the next game.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by PlaygroundLegend

that and the inability of any of our WR's to get open. St Clair had the false start penalties, plus whenever he starts, we seem to loose. I think his crappy play is causing other people on the line to pick up the slack. Colt had very little time to throw today, and when he did, there was NO ONE open....


Oh yeah, once again, today we have more proof of who we should be starting at WR



Evan fricken Moore

how is it that he constantly gets "Moore" separation than our wideouts do?

This guy needs to be on the field every day as he has GREAT size, solid speed, and pretty sick ball skills

Take St. Clair back off the line please, put Evan Moore in on every play, split wide or in the TE position, call more rollouts and quick slants.... and win the fricken game

Today might be a major message to all of you who keep touting that "great defense wins games" line, not only did our defense play insane today (6 turnovers?!?!?!), they scored a TD.

You need offense to create points after a defensive turnover, therefore offense and defense are equally important to a football team.....

Why is it that the coaches of our football team always seem to have the same problem, they never play the correct players, we have solid players on our team, sitting in the backup spots that need to see the field more, this has become the browns M.O.

Lastly, I'd like to give a shout out to Marcus Benard



Now with Fujita out, he continues to make the most out of increased playing time registering another 1 or 2 sacks today

P.s. Dez scored again today that makes 6 games in a row at least

100% agree with you on St. Clair PGL. The Jet's are supposed to have a much better defense than the Jags, but Colt was running for his life this week. The difference in the two weeks? St. Clair. You can tell me Steinbach got beat a lot too, but to me it's plain to see that difference. St. Clair is the weak link.

And no arguement we need better WRs, but given Colt more than .5 seconds to throw and we win that game.

[Greythan]

Reason number one for me was the inability for Colt to get rid of the ball.

Half the sacks were "coverage sacks" in that Colt held onto the ball too long.

So, who was the culprit: a rookie QB who didn't see or wasn't comfortable throwing into small windows or a subpar receiving corps that can't get separation?

I'm sure Colt's missing an opportunity or too being so young, but for me it was the WR's.

The Jags had 8 in the box, with single coverage outside almost ALL day. MoMass is a barely servicable #2/#3 receiver. Robiske won't be in football next year. Stuckey is what he is, a shifty #3 who is only successful if ignored due to bigger threats at the #1/#2 positions.

You'll see this exact game plan again until we show we can beat it: take out Hillis, roll coverages to TE's/RB's and single cover WR's. I know that's what I'd do.

[OconRecon]

I'm not sure any of our lineman had a good game. Thomas gave up a sack. Steiny, Mack, and Lavauo all got handled (I watched the game twice), and St. Clair is reliably bad. The only thing open was 0-10 yard passes. McCoy didn't have time for anything deep unless he extended the play. The running game was stymied.

I really think McCoy had another solid game. He rarely had receivers open and our first down performance was the worst it has been in any game all year, leaving McCoy to try to throw to a pile of subpar WR's.

Daboll should just work the offense with throwing to Hillis, Watson, and Moore with the occasion sprinkling to MoMass and Stucky. Robo is officially done as he has had zero impact.