Mock v. 1.1

[Alo]

Originally Posted by DaBrowns41

I still say that as great as Suh is, it doesn't mean that the Rams would be stupid not to take him.

I don't really disagree. My point was that it'd be a major mistake for St. Louis to pass on Suh just because they'd already drafted Carriker (injury-prone and not very productive when healthy) and Long (not very impressive) with #1's.

If they're truly convinced that Bradford or Clausen is a franchise QB, I could see taking either one of them ahead of Suh. To me, Bradford seems the more likely guy to earn #1 consideration, but his trouble with injuries and poise under pressure are worrisome. And you read stuff like this that makes you wonder whether he's truly #1 overall material:

Originally Posted by Kevin Weidl

Scouts and coaches I've talked to agree almost unanimously that Bradford is somewhat of a project who will require significant work before he is ready to thrive in a pro offense. Players who come off the board early in the first round are expected to contribute early, but it remains to be seen whether Bradford will be ready to do so, which would make him a very expensive risk to take.

[Legacy Fan]

Alo- with WAS going QB, clearly they wont have much room for Jason Campbell. Do you think he is more, or less in Cleveland's mix than McNabb - given Big Show's ties to Zorn? If there has ever been a mishandled QB that could match Quinn in that arena, it's Jason Campbell. 2 Ways I look at it:
1)Another newish system completely unravels Campbell, and his modest yet solid performance as a QB disappears forever.
2)Campbell is young still (28), smart, and can huck it if he needs to. Might just be the kind of WCO qb Holmgren is looking for to not necessarily develop, but tweak.

Year Team G GS Cmp Att Yds Cmp% TD Int Rat
Total WAS 52 52 1002 1,637 10,860 61.2 55 38 82.3

Not bad career numbers, and he put up his best numbers this past season after losing both tackles, Cooley and 2 RBs.

As big of a chub that the thought of bringing on McNasty gives me, Campbell might actually be a better fit. Imo, he's certainly better than anything we've got now. But is he worth a 1st? A 2nd, definitely. Maybe next years 1st & this years 3rd, because of the depth of this draft and what we can gain in it.

[Alo]

It's possible, but I don't think so.

From what I've read, the Redskins are expected to retain Campbell, even if it's only as a one year rental while Bradford or Clausen gets ready to start. That'd be especially true if it's Bradford, who could use a redshirt year to bulk up and learn an NFL offense.

[mz.]

Leg, I'm in favor of giving Campbell a look, but not for anybting close to what you seem ready to offer WAS to get him. If WAS ends up selecting Bradford or Claustrich, all of their trade leverage will be gonzo.

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by Alo

I don't really disagree. My point was that it'd be a major mistake for St. Louis to pass on Suh just because they'd already drafted Carriker (injury-prone and not very productive when healthy) and Long (not very impressive) with #1's.

If they're truly convinced that Bradford or Clausen is a franchise QB, I could see taking either one of them ahead of Suh. To me, Bradford seems the more likely guy to earn #1 consideration, but his trouble with injuries and poise under pressure are worrisome. And you read stuff like this that makes you wonder whether he's truly #1 overall material:

I'm personally on the Kiper side of the battle, where I think Clausen is undoubtedly the #1 QB prospect. He can make all the throws, knows what it's like in a pro-style offense, and can make plays. His pocket presence can be questioned, as his arm strength to get the ball down field, but he's got the highest ceiling, IMO. I think the Rams take him @ #1, while Detroit gets Suh, and TB takes Berry/McCoy.

Washington either goes Okung, Davis, or Bradford, KC goes Davis/Okung, Seattle takes Berry/Morgan, and the Browns take Berry/Haden/McClain.

I'll have a mock out in a week or so, hopefully. Been pretty busy.

[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by Alo

It's possible, but I don't think so.

From what I've read, the Redskins are expected to retain Campbell, even if it's only as a one year rental while Bradford or Clausen gets ready to start. That'd be especially true if it's Bradford, who could use a redshirt year to bulk up and learn an NFL offense.

Good point. I think they'd have to tag him to keep though, right? Or maybe it's after 2010. I think he'd be cheaper to get now, then after he has to play a "get a new deal season."

Originally Posted by mz.

Leg, I'm in favor of giving Campbell a look, but not for anybting close to what you seem ready to offer WAS to get him. If WAS ends up selecting Bradford or Claustrich, all of their trade leverage will be gonzo.

I agree regarding the leverage, but I dont know - obviously get him as cheap as possible, but he's a 4 year starter. With above average numbers. Which, considering he had Gibbs 2.0 his 1st two seasons is miraculous. Gibbs 2.0 offense makes Ddohbs look like Mike Martz. But, reading Daniel Jeremiah today makes me want to be more stingy with our 2nd rounders - definite value round.

[Alo]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

Good point. I think they'd have to tag him to keep though, right? Or maybe it's after 2010. I think he'd be cheaper to get now, then after he has to play a "get a new deal season."

Because Campbell's a RFA, all they have to do is offer him a tender, which will trigger 1st round compensation from any team that tries to sign him.

Personally, I don't think he's good enough to warrant that level of compensation. Don't think I'd offer a 2nd either, maybe not a 3rd.

His stats are pretty good, but I wasn't too impressed when I watched him this year. Not sure he's the type of quick, efficient decision-maker Holmgren wants as his QB.

[Legacy Fan]

Gotcha - thanks.

Well, with regards to his decision making abilities, I wonder if it's a similar situation to here in Cleveland. (at least with Quinn - DA's decision making is pretty well known; it sucks). Are we forced to look at other variables b/c of his flashes of good decision making, or did he just get lucky having Chris Cooley/Kellen Winslow (& Anthony Fasano & John Carlson) as a safety valve?

[Solon16]

a few glaring mistakes but I like this as an outline....moving forward....JMO

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[Solon16]

Interesting as well

The Football Expert: 2010 NFL Mock Draft by Gregory Cox

[ramrod]

Very good stuff as usual Alo....

It will be VERY interesting after the combine to see how this pans out. It always baffles me on how a guy can move up or donw so quick.

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by Alo

Because Campbell's a RFA, all they have to do is offer him a tender, which will trigger 1st round compensation from any team that tries to sign him.

Personally, I don't think he's good enough to warrant that level of compensation. Don't think I'd offer a 2nd either, maybe not a 3rd.

His stats are pretty good, but I wasn't too impressed when I watched him this year. Not sure he's the type of quick, efficient decision-maker Holmgren wants as his QB.

Well, especially if we actually do go WCO, Campbell is not the QB for that. He's not a guy that can do a quick 3 step drop and throw an accurate pass across the middle.

Not saying that we will run the WCO, but it's possible. Either way, while Campbell doesn't have bad stats, I don't see him as a QB that can take a team to the playoffs and win games consistently.