In Holmgrenn we Trust, unless....

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Alo

Holmgren will have a hard sell replacing Mangini with a guy like Marty Mornhinweg.

I think there's a good chance it will happen: Mornhinweg would fit the Parcells-Sparano model and could do a much better job developing McCoy than Daboll.

I think Morningweg is the type that needs a strong Head Coach OVER him for him to be successful a la Brad Childress. Both guys painfully learned the difference between being a Head Coach and an OC. Along the same lines, RAC learned the difference between beign a Coordinator under a strong Head Coach and being the Head Coach. He's back to being a good coordinator again as we speak. There's other examples of this all over the league like the kid awaiting puberty in Denver. Mike Mularkey. Nolan is back to being a good DC as is Dom Capers and Guenther Cunningham, etc.

I think if we get one more good offseason of personnel moves in this new regime - Mangini is going to prove to us he has learned from his experience here. I like his staff alot (Seely, Warhop, Cox, Ryan, Brown, etc). This short tenure under Mangini is already more impressive than what BB did In Cleveland this early on into things. Isn't Mangini PART of the reason there's a Darrelle Revis, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, David Harris, Nick Mangold, and Dustin Keller teaming up as a strong nucleus of young players in NY? When Mangini took over the Jets the first season after the previous coach was worthy of getting fired - he went 10-6 right? And that was with Chad Pennington. The Favre season was projecting much better until Favre's arm had a tendon snap. Didn't they beat an undefeated TN team in TN by about 35 points?

In this league, the reality is you can be the best coach in the world but fall victim to the Todd Philcox football follies on game day. Didn't we see this with Bill Belichick? And how many premature conclusions came from that? To be honest, life was heading in the same direction in NE for BB whne he was winless behind Bledsoe before Tom Brady took over and guided the same team to a Superbowl Championship. It's amazing how he became a genius at the change of a QB. Don't take my word for it - research this if you have the time. Bill Parcells had the same thing when he had to gut out his first year with Scott Brunner as his starting QB in NY.
- Tom F.

[Sez.EJ]

I don't see anything this seaon that translates into Mangini getting fired. Are there things about him I don't like? or would change? .. absolutely..That being said, there are a lot of things he's doing right too..
We have 5 more games and the whole offseason to kick this one around.. What about the Dolphins?

[Greythan]

No way he's replaced with a first time Head Coach. No way unless we implode down the stretch these last five games.

We all know it is a 50/50 gig that an assistant actually translates into a quality head coach.

[Alo]

Originally Posted by Flugel

I think Morningweg is the type that needs a strong Head Coach OVER him for him to be successful a la Brad Childress. Both guys painfully learned the difference between being a Head Coach and an OC. Along the same lines, RAC learned the difference between beign a Coordinator under a strong Head Coach and being the Head Coach. He's back to being a good coordinator again as we speak. There's other examples of this all over the league like the kid awaiting puberty in Denver. Mike Mularkey. Nolan is back to being a good DC as is Dom Capers and Guenther Cunningham, etc.

That's a fair point, but the Childress comparison doesn't work as well as the others: Chilly never called plays in Philly, even when he was offensive coordinator. When Andy Reid ceded playcalling duties to Marty in '06, the offense got a lot better (with Jeff frickin' Garcia at QB).

Maybe Marty doesn't deserve another shot: he was a pretty awful HC in Detroit. But there's always the possibility that he could pull a Belichick. That said, I wouldn't want to take that risk

[Jax Dawg]

I think the whole why don't we get Morningweg in here as HC was said sarcastically but as long as it is being discussed - we might as well fire that bum Tom Heckert - he only had the best Browns draft in at least 20 years but we will replace him with Morningweg's old partner in crime Matt Millen. Then we can have thread after thread all offseason about which WR we are taking with the #1 pick in the draft year after year after year after year....

[Masters]

Originally Posted by Alo

That's a fair point, but the Childress comparison doesn't work as well as the others: Chilly never called plays in Philly, even when he was offensive coordinator. When Andy Reid ceded playcalling duties to Marty in '06, the offense got a lot better (with Jeff frickin' Garcia at QB).

Maybe Marty doesn't deserve another shot: he was a pretty awful HC in Detroit. But there's always the possibility that he could pull a Belichick. That said, I wouldn't want to take that risk

Great point regarding Chilly in PHILLY.

On Marty, while I am in no way pro-Marty for HC of the Browns, I think people should keep in mind who had control of the personal he had to work with when the HC of DET.

[Vegasdogg]

This is completely unfair and shortsighted on my part, but I cannot get on board with a coach who wins the OT coin toss and elects to kick. Ain't gonna happen.

We also have to consider Mangini and his "growing popularity" with fans. I don't think Holmgren is taking a poll of the fans when he makes the decision at year end, but he does have to explain that decision.

No way I could stomach Marty. No killer instinct.