Denver's busted Broncos reinforces wisdom of Cleveland Browns' restructured front office

[Danamal]

Originally Posted by Flugel

Interesting insights EE! I think there were a bunch of underrated personnel decisions in 2009 that EASED the first year challenges of Heckert & Holmgren:

1) Getting rid of Donte Stallworth
2) Getting rid of Braylon Edwards
3) Getting rid of Shaun Smith
4) Gettign rid of Antwaan Peek
5) Adding Matt Roth
6) Adding Reggie Hodges
7) Adding Marcus Benard
8) Adding Brian Schaefering
9) Adding Kenyon Coleman
10) Adding Derreck Robinson
11) Adding David Bowen (Arguably one of our best playmakers the 2nd half of 2009)
12) Adding Abram Elam
13) Adding Eric Barton (If Jackson could stay healthy - he wouldn't be needed)
14) Adding Evan Moore
15) Adding Chansi Stuckey
16) Adding Alex Mack
17) Adding Pork Chop Womack
19) Adding MoMass
20) Adding Blake Costanzo
21) Adding Jason Trusnik (STs player of the month in NY at the time)

There may not be any superstars listed above - but that's patching holes everywhere with guys that could start or rotate in. I'm sure there's disagreement with some of the names provided above in terms of how helpful they are. That said, I left quite a few off (Ie; Robo & everyone's All American - St Clair).

In the end, I sincerely HOPE that Heckert, Holmgren & Mangini remain cognizant of how far they came since 2008 with understanding of what else needs to be done. I loved what they did together in 2010 personnel wise.

Don't forget to add the failed experiment that was Corey Williams.

[Enigmatic Evil]

Though I kind of trimmed your list, it's for the most part, bang on. Bolding key ones and I deleted Schaefering and Derrick Robinson. I know you like these guys Flug but these are just role players who will likely never be serious contributors. We have been butting heads on Schaefering the whole year haha. I added my comments in the [square brackets]

Originally Posted by Flugel

Interesting insights EE! I think there were a bunch of underrated personnel decisions in 2009 that EASED the first year challenges of Heckert & Holmgren:

1) Getting rid of Donte Stallworth [technically didn't happen til' this year. He was injured all 2009 or jailed or ...whatever]
2) Getting rid of Braylon Edwards
3) Getting rid of Shaun Smith
[Also getting rid of Corey Williams, or was that Heckert's doing, either way...]
5) Adding Matt Roth
7) Adding Marcus Benard
9) Adding Kenyon Coleman
11) Adding David Bowen (Arguably one of our best playmakers the 2nd half of 2009 [and still makes key plays when called upon, his presence is underrated IMO])
12) Adding Abram Elam
13) Adding Eric Barton (If Jackson could stay healthy - he wouldn't be needed)
14) Adding Evan Moore
15) Adding Chansi Stuckey
16) Adding Alex Mack
17) Adding Pork Chop Womack
19) Adding MoMass
20) Adding Blake Costanzo
21) Adding Jason Trusnik (STs player of the month in NY at the time) [Both of these guys have been special teams contributors, which is important but truly nothing more]

Of your list there Flug, I'd say maybe only getting rid of Braylon and Shaun Smith, adding Roth, Bernard, Coleman, Moore, Stuckey, Mack and Womack are truly worth noting, the rest are good additions for what roles they play but overall could be replaced. Their spots on our team are not essential but they do play a role on our team regardless.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Enigmatic Evil

Though I kind of trimmed your list, it's for the most part, bang on. Bolding key ones and I deleted Schaefering and Derrick Robinson. I know you like these guys Flug but these are just role players who will likely never be serious contributors. We have been butting heads on Schaefering the whole year haha. I added my comments in the [square brackets]



Of your list there Flug, I'd say maybe only getting rid of Braylon and Shaun Smith, adding Roth, Bernard, Coleman, Moore, Stuckey, Mack and Womack are truly worth noting, the rest are good additions for what roles they play but overall could be replaced. Their spots on our team are not essential but they do play a role on our team regardless.

Agreed, this is a work in progress BUT whether a guy rotates in or starts the roster needed WAY more bodies than it was set up to acquire in 2009. I'll explain more about this specifically in a minute. Keep in mind, Schaefering and Coleman were getting alot of respect from around the league this year. Coleman had a high ankle sprain which has effected his play quite a bit but he was off to a strong start early on. And I remember KOKs wanted to point out how efficient he noticed Scheafering was last year.

Anyway, IF Mangini ONLY stayed within the Savage plan of just 4 draft picks for 2009 to followup Phils' previous plan that netted 1 keeper on draft day of 2008 - Mangini doesn't trade for MORE bodies needed for the 2 deep rotations and situational defenses from the Jets for experienced guys from his 9-7 defense the year before. End result? There is NO David Bowens to replace the injured D'Qwell Jackson with. That means we lost quite a bit of big plays defensively in the 2nd half of the season. We also began to learn WHO Brian Schaefering was and what the ONLY keeper from the 2008 draft (Rubin) was capable of when Rogers went down. Again, a refusal to stick to Phil's narrow plan that traded away draft picks for BAD moves was some very unnoticed but clutch house cleaning moves far better than Mangini gets credit for. All he gets regarding the countless Savage personnel problem solves of 2009 was "round 2 was a disaster." Yes, there were 2 picks that aren't impressing anybody BUT keep in mind what was committed to Stallworth and Edwards in the first place as well overcoming Veikune with Roth and Benard. And how about the high dollar amounts committed to Dave Zastudil when Mangini found Reggie Hodges to pin people deep alot? Field position pinning Pittsburgh deep impacted their playcalling to our favor.

I'm absolutely stunned at how many would rather puke than understand this epic addressment of numbers for depth and upgrade in 2009. As I've been saying, Mangini set Heckert and Holmgren up with a far easier problem solve than they would have had if he sucked at personnel moves and stuck to the Savage plan that hnadcuffed this franchise into embarassment. IMO, too many fans are blaming Mangini for alot of Savage's football sins. I guess we've been practicing this shit for 20 years now and practice makes perfect.

Can we just START holding the Caremen Policys and the Phil Savages a little more accountable than the Head Coaches walking into their messes? I'm ecstatic Mangini has Heckert and Holmgren because that forms a strong trio. Their first draft together looks pretty freakin impressive.
- Tom F. (That light at the end of the tunnel isn't the headlamp of an oncoming train - it's only Peyton Hillis)

[Masters]

Adding Roth was very good, but I think it should be kept in mind that he was claimed off waivers, and the only reason CLE got him was because of their record. Do we really want to give credit for being 1 and what ever it was at the time that allowed CLE to have first dibs on the guy? It's not as if EM knew MIA was going to cut a good player, looking for a big contract, mid-season.