How long are you willing to wait...

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Masters

I see what you mean with RAC and EM in the pressers. But I ofter also saw RAC as a guy just no comfortable in front of the press (a reason he isn't cut out for the HC gig) and think it was also a factor with Savage being out in front so much.

Oh, there is consistency in the NFL. NE and NO (more NE) are examples of it. A lapse one game isn't being inconsistent. It's one game. You don't see NE being jeckel and hyde each week. There's a difference between a bump in the road and showing up as a different team each week.

I always see any game as a learning experience and opportunity for growth. It's why I hoped the CAR game was one and the MIA game was one (learning how to win). Even the Jets game and JAX game I hoped was that. Same with wins against NE and NO. Not just for the players but the coaching staff. That's why losses like the Jax game, and especially the BUF game trouble me so. It seems like the lesson/growth was lost. Just as one game learn and take a step forward from a game, one can also regress because of another. It's another reason I want to see how this team plays the next 3 games. It's not to me, with this team, about wins in losses. It's how they do both, how they respond to both, and how they move forward. If they learned a lesson from last week, this team should come out strong and fighting against Cincy. If they come out flat and looking like they did against BUF, I'd question the lesson was learned.

I don't see how you can for sure differentiate that NE and NO just had one bad game. But with our team it was definitely a sign of regression and not just one bad game. That's a fine line to be walking.

[Masters]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

I don't see how you can for sure differentiate that NE and NO just had one bad game. But with our team it was definitely a sign of regression and not just one bad game. That's a fine line to be walking.

It's easy, see how NE plays each and every week compared to the one game against CLE, then see CLE every week. Do you see NE playing poorly every other week or every two weeks? One bad week compared to 11 other weeks for NE. Do you see CLE playing like the same team every week (or 90% of the weeks)?

I didn't say it was a sign of regression for CLE. Only that it could be something that causes it.

[PlaygroundLegend]

dude, your on your "A" game (masters) cant give you any more rep, it wont let me

[Sez.EJ]

Originally Posted by Masters

It's easy, see how NE plays each and every week compared to the one game against CLE, then see CLE every week. Do you see NE playing poorly every other week or every two weeks? One bad week compared to 11 other weeks for NE. Do you see CLE playing like the same team every week (or 90% of the weeks)?

I didn't say it was a sign of regression for CLE. Only that it could be something that causes it.

Why the difference.. in a word.. Stablity

The reason you see only a bad game on occasion from New England or from New Orleans is that they have had a management team, and coaches in place for years now. Both of those teams have established QB's.... Belichick has been in New England for 10 years. Payton in New Orleans going on 5 years. We have had at least 5 new coaching staffs/GM's in that same time period bb has been in New England... OH..not to mention having a lot more talent overall does not hurt. But that also comes with stability at the top and not having a new guy come in and tear it down every 3 years.

Mangini took over a nightmare/disaster from Romeo.. We have a 2nd year coaching staff..dealing with a first year management team.. Your going to have ups and downs and inconsistency. Until we get a managment/coaching staff that is consistent there for a while..your not going to have a team that's consistent.. We have instability at the QB situation. Every qb on the roster is different from last year. All 3 QB's have been injured for extended periods this year. 2 guys we know are not starters and a 3rd we are HOPING can be.. We also have limited talent around that instability at QB..

To expect stability and consistent play from a team in and unstable situation at President. GM, and Coach ...well its....ummm... stupid to expect that...

[OzDawg]

been waitin since 1979 when I first actually became a fan... what's another year!
(PS many of those years were filled with awesome , gut wrenching, heart pounding games....so yeah I'll wait and keep hoping we get the magic formula.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Why the difference.. in a word.. Stablity

The reason you see only a bad game on occasion from New England or from New Orleans is that they have had a management team, and coaches in place for years now. Both of those teams have established QB's.... Belichick has been in New England for 10 years. Payton in New Orleans going on 5 years. We have had at least 5 new coaching staffs/GM's in that same time period bb has been in New England... OH..not to mention having a lot more talent overall does not hurt. But that also comes with stability at the top and not having a new guy come in and tear it down every 3 years.

Mangini took over a nightmare/disaster from Romeo.. We have a 2nd year coaching staff..dealing with a first year management team.. Your going to have ups and downs and inconsistency. Until we get a managment/coaching staff that is consistent there for a while..your not going to have a team that's consistent.. We have instability at the QB situation. Every qb on the roster is different from last year. All 3 QB's have been injured for extended periods this year. 2 guys we know are not starters and a 3rd we are HOPING can be.. We also have limited talent around that instability at QB..

To expect stability and consistent play from a team in and unstable situation at President. GM, and Coach ...well its....ummm... stupid to expect that...

exactly right, changing coaches just because you have a feeling the current one may not be the right one is not going to lead you to winning consistantly. Teams that win consistantly do that because they have 85% or more of the players on the team buying in to the system put in place by the coaching staffs and then all executing that system week in and week out in the same way. and that's what mangini is talking about in the quote I have in one of these threads about the team learning to win consistantly.

You won't get that winning consistancy by changing coaches, at least you won't have it next year. Current players loyal to Mangini won't buy into the new coaches system. and you'll have new players and rookies coming in who will find it harder to buy in with out a solid veteran team already there who has bought in.

I'm going to say this to everyone who wants to fire mangini and I don't care WHO they want to be the next HC. If Mangini is fired, be prepared for me to be a dick around here to the new HC and anyone who likes him. I'll DEMAND that the new HC wins at LEAST 10 games next season and won't tolerate any excuses about "they are learning a new offense or new defense, or the coach turned over x many players". I expect Mangini to win at least 9 games next year or I'll want him fired, so if everyone else is SO convinced that a new unicorn savior coach will be so much better, then by gosh he better win a bunch.