Dab's agrees....

[SturimUp]

All I know is that our receivers don't scare anyone...example being the jets put revis on our tight end to cover. I think that says alot about the fear our passing game brings to other teams. I don't like Daboll, but at the same time, he's got crap to work with on the offense if you want to be able to have a balanced offense.

[Danamal]

Re reading this thread I had a touch of deja vu.
We had this kind of debate about a guy by the name of Quinn and as it turns out he just flat out sucked.
The only part of the argument that is still valid is we still have nobody to throw the ball to!

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Danamal

Re reading this thread I had a touch of deja vu.
We had this kind of debate about a guy by the name of Quinn and as it turns out he just flat out sucked.
The only part of the argument that is still valid is we still have nobody to throw the ball to!

Cap'n Checkdown sucked? I thought he was pretty deadly with those 3 yard bombs he lobbed every pass.

[Danamal]

Thanks for the brilliant insight as to how "captain checkdown" sucked.
My point was and still is I'm always open to argument as to why someone thinks the way they do.
They could even change my mind if they had a valid argument based in logic and for all we know maybe Daboll just flat out sucks and is the biggest reason for our failure as an offense?

When you crunch the numbers and see the players we have it begs to question why anyone would call for someones head before we have a skill set that scares anyone besides our own franchise and fanbase and not in a good way!

[OzDawg]

A few thoughts on The Browns.
First, our offense, clearly looks better with Colt at the helm. He's started 6 games and is 2-4 yet he's ALSO a rookie! His numbers (borrowed from Bernies thread)
ABOUT COLT McCOY'S NUMBERS . . .
1. He completes 91 percent of passes behind the line of scrimmage, which is above the 85 percent average.
2. He completes 60 percent of passes from 1-10 yards, below the average of 67 percent.
3. He completes 65 percent of passes from 10-20 yards, above the average of 40 percent.
4. He has had only two passes batted down at the line of scrimmage.
5. His 7.7 yards per attempt is No. 9 in the NFL.
6. When blitzed, he completes 60 percent of passes. He has been sacked on nine of 66 blitzes, but has not thrown an interception in these circumstances.
In McCoy's five starts (2-3 record), the weakest team he faced was Jacksonville (8-5). The combined record of the five teams is 48-17! He faced three of the top six NFL defenses -- the Steelers, the Jets and the Saints.
I honestly think he has what it takes to play ,and play well, at this level. Here's to his continued growth! Timing with his receivers, speed of the game, and new nfl looks are going to get better with him.

Our O line, we need an upgrade at RT which would help in both run support and pass blocking.
Our receivers, definate need for a FA and hopefully a good 2nd round pick in the draft (let MoMass, Robo, Stucky battle it out ). Picking up a TE later in draft or trade might be pleasant as well because although Watson is playing well, Moore needs to be replaced or stay healthy(which doesn't look all that promising).
Our RB's , we need to resign Vickers! Get Hillis a changeup guy wether it's Hardesty I dunno but I HOPE so.
Finally, as far as Dabs goes, I don't really care if he stays or goes but I don't think our ineptitude is all on him. It's different with McCoy in the game(we even had posts started about people maybe reconsidering that he sucks after Colt's first 3 games).

Secondly, our defense, is in ways ALOT better than last year! (Also pretty apparent how much difference Fujita makes when we watch with him out)
Our D line has few positives Rubin being one of them. I think it's way time to get whatever we can for Rodgers. We need a DE!
Our secondary is vastly improved with the additions of Haden and TJ Ward! I think Brown and Elam are keepers for now. Wright seems like there's something wrong with him mentally this season or seeing opposing offenses key on him whenever he's in is just making his previous shortcomings more apparent.
Our LB's have some base . Roth and Fujita are both definate keepers. I think we need to address speed issues!
Rob Ryan ? Dunno if I like him or think he's over rated! (not HC material IMO) However a couple more pieces ( DE aand LB) might really clear up some doubts.

Third, special teams.Again we're pretty damn good! If anthing we need to find a replacement for Dawson much as I like him. Cribbs might be another issue as well. I admire his efforts but to me he hasn't developed into a receiver yet although there are places to utilize him. He's been hurt and teams simply don't kick to him so much of what he was vaunted for is pointless today.

And finally, Mangini...
I think he should stay. I've seen enough positives to grant him one more draft and offseason aquires to see what he can do . Some of the improvements are astonishing and most of the negatives spouted by media have been quietly forgotten or dispelled ( not all mind you )
Anyways so far this year I've started to once again "like" to watch this team and really do believe things are changing for the better!

[Enigmatic Evil]

See, I've been critical of Daboll but I also have seen some of the frustrating things that he does with the offense he runs. If he was a poker player, he would be the guy that you would constantly be psyching out. We criticize his offensive playcalling. This article DF posted illustrates that he really only has so many weapons that he can actually utilize. Chemistry is all over the place when we're juggling THREE QB's. Our WR's are inexperienced for the most part... ENTIRELY. They need ONE QB that they can develop decent timing with. MoMass gaffing on which route to run is not Daboll's fault. Hillis has worked, Hillis has been used to his utmost potential as he is our leading rusher (one of the best we've had. Period) and one of our leading recievers as well.

The guy's doing the best he can. I bet any OC with the most brilliant offensive schemes would be ramming his face into a wall trying to utilize our offensive tools.