FIRE ROB RYAN!!!!

[Riffer X]

This defense hasn't made one stop all day, so before the Dabol and Mangini basjing comes let's not forget to share with everyones favorite coach. They have been manhandled today and showed absolutely zero fire.

The run defense looks like freaking 1999 all over again. It's also very obvious we need a RT in here next year badly.

[hiwaygal]

NO! I like his hair! lol

In all seriousness, there are obviously some issues here. Did they "play down" to their competition again? Did they watch old film or something?

Seems like if one part is working, the other isn't...or even worse, sometimes both parts aren't working.

We need to get it all going at the same time. We know it can be done, we saw it when we played NO and NE.

[Masters]

Never been high on Ryan and never understood why some people think he was in line for HC gig next year. His Ds past and present still can't stop the run. This is multiple weeks in a row of not stopping the run and getting no pressure on the QB. Two best games by the D this year, against NO and NE. NO had the Fujita factor (knew that O from practice against it for several years). NE had two weeks to prepare for. Where is that playing out of their minds for Rob Ryan.... Cincy has been terrible this year on O and they have basically torched CLE today w/o the use of Ocho Cinco or Owens.

O was really not going against NO. Against NO O put up 200 yards of offense the team lost the TOP by 10 minutes. NE, frankly CLE just ran all over them.

But here comes Colt to try and save the day!

[PlaygroundLegend]

Mangini is the defensive "genius" here

[Jax Dawg]

Cinci's dime a dozen O-line dominated our D today. Really need some D-line help in the draft/FA. When Cinci passed Palmer had all day to pick apart our zone coverage.

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by PlaygroundLegend

Mangini is the defensive "genius" here

Oh no no no, where have you been? Ryan was the sole reason this team was worth a shit this year and why the players played hard. The defense hung in there despite Mangini, don't you remember?

[Danamal]

Shouldn't Holmgren be fired for keeping Mangini around as well?,it was his idea to keep him afterall,poor decision as a team president,have to question the logic on that one.......

[DirtyDawg]

This defense has no heart and would rather be at home cuddled up under a blanket watching Christmas movies.

Like DirtyDawg has been saying all along and getting ousted for...

[Greythan]

NO had the Fujita factor (knew that O from practice against it for several years). NE had two weeks to prepare for.

We already put the 2 weeks to prepare bullshit to bed. The Browns we're 4-5 coming off the bye week into this year. Its a lame ass excuse Masters, so stop it. Give credit where its due: we played great football against those two teams. There was no gimmick about it as you continually suggest. Its lame.

PGL, just gloat your way into a new coach. In case you haven't noticed, we've tried plenty of new coaches and it has yet to work. Maybe you'll get your wish. I hope Gruden's a miracle worker because there's one reason we lost this game today:

Our defense was abused. Be it a poor effort or the lack of front seven talent (my belief), doesn't matter. No amount of game planning can help when a team lines up in a power run formation and stuffs it down your throat all day.

Other thoughts:

MoMass is a complete liability. How the hell he didn't catch that ball that bounced off his left shoulder pad is beyond me. I literally despise watching him play WR. Never seen a guy look so utterly clueless so often.

St Clair simply has no feet. We've known this and its just a shame we don't have anyone else to play. Lavauo must be really struggling with the learning curve for us to have not inserted him at RG and moved Womak out to RT.

TJ Ward, who I love, is suffering from poor reads in the secondary IMO. Several occassions today he gave up way too much cushion on zones and allowed Palmer to throw a slow-pitch softball down field for completions.

The silver lining? We absolutely have our QB. McCoy just looks great for a rookie. Threw some unreal balls into small windows today using touch. Just love what I see.

New coach / same coach. I really don't care at this stage. I just want the 4 or 5 more starters this team needs so that we can't be exposed. That's what you watched today: the Bengals (30th ranked rushing offense; yes partly due to being behind too much) knew they could just man up and blow our front seven off the line. It was embarrasing and no amount of coaching can change that.

[PlaygroundLegend]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

Oh no no no, where have you been? Ryan was the sole reason this team was worth a shit this year and why the players played hard. The defense hung in there despite Mangini, don't you remember?

I know, it was a joke man...

Remember what I said in that one long ass post.... When the offense plays shitty, people blame Daboll, if they play well and we win ppl say GOOO MANGINI!!! With the defense, when they play well, ppl say GOOO MANGINI!!! When they play shitty, people blame Ryan

It just seems that the coordinators are only to blame for when the team does bad in their area, but they aren't ever given credit when they do well, it goes to the head coach

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

Oh no no no, where have you been? Ryan was the sole reason this team was worth a shit this year and why the players played hard. The defense hung in there despite Mangini, don't you remember?

Lately everything is Mangini's fault so today's lack of defense was his fault too of course. Doesn't he approve all defensive plays before they are called?

Seriously I thought the Browns should have run some no huddle on O early in the 3rd quarter to try to change up their luck and keep the Bengals off guard but they never did, just kept with the same gameplan and punting.

[Masters]

Greythem, saying no no no doesn't put anything to rest about teams coming off the bye week. Look how all NFL teams do coming of the bye, as well as EM coached team (not just the CLE Browns since 1999). It's not some made up stat. It's an NFL reality that teams coming off the bye (two weeks to prepare) by and large win.

As of 2009 309-276-1, 52.7 winning percentage in the NFL for teams coming off the bye week. For the home team coming off the bye Wins 169-120 for 58.5%. Give any NFL team and staff worth it's weight two weeks to prepare for a team, there are going to have success.

None of that doesn't mean CLE didn't play a great game against NE or were well prepared. It's simply a reason that helped CLE play so well that week. Just as pointing out Fujita was heavily involved in preparation for the NO game (even Rob Ryan noted it) doesn't take away from them playing well. It's simply a piece of why they played so well that week. Hell you should use inside info you have to your advantage. Look at it another way, why hasn't the CLE D played as well as it did in those two games against other teams?