Onside Kick

[Crow]

what

[Crow]

this didn't go well

[MackTruck]

That onside kick did exactly what Mangini intended it to do.

[Crow]

yes of course

by giving the ravens extra free points we make them overconfident

from there we make them fall from their own hubris

[MackTruck]

Nope, Mangini got what he wanted because he wants the Browns to lose. Take it fwiw. Either because he knows he is back and is playing for draft position or he knows he is gone through his sources and holmgren doesn't have the decency for a reach around.

Mangini has been coaching strangely since Buffalo.

[Crow]

.......of course

[Greythan]

Didn't like the call even if we'd converted. I thought we were playing their offense pretty well straight up and that 7 points turned out to be a big deal.

[Sez.EJ]

The Ravens were caught totally off guard by the onside kick. It was a good call..bad execution on the kick..then bad defense to follow it up.. The run Defense is pathetic.. Hmm did I cut and past that from nearly every one of the past 7 weeks? .. front 7 is terrible.. Pass D was really very good today.

[OconRecon]

Was green with envy watching the Packers game after the Browns. A.J. hawk and C3 were flying around. Jeaaaaaalous.

[Enigmatic Evil]

at least we had the balls to try something unlike the past few weeks of playing the game "by the book" and getting our asses kicked. The thing with gambling is that it doesn't always pay off but no risk, no reward. We were behind and we needed to try something to get momentum. This boils back to arguments of the past week where some posters argued that to show aggression sometimes you couldn't be afraid to call a play with some balls.

Isn't this, technically, that kind of play?

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

The Ravens were caught totally off guard by the onside kick. It was a good call..bad execution on the kick..then bad defense to follow it up.. The run Defense is pathetic.. Hmm did I cut and past that from nearly every one of the past 7 weeks? .. front 7 is terrible.. Pass D was really very good today.

I think this 3-4 scheme ONLY works when you have 4 awesome starting LBers that can STAY healthy all season. I don't know if I can agree the entire front 7 sucks when Tom Brady AND Drew Brees had their worst games of the year against them. I'll AGREE the absence of Fujita changed their ability considerably. I don't think we've ever had the personnel to match the ideal 3-4 football schemes. More specifically, Corey Williams didn't suck - the guy that brought him here to play in handcuffs was smoking crack. He's an UPFIELD (1 gapper only) guy just like we've continued to misuse Rogers since the day he signed on the dotted line (TWO freakin years before Mangini). Williams is back top playing great football in the schem that fits his strengths like a glove.

The first half of the year our defense actually seemed underrated vrs the run except vrs Atlanta. How many times did KC mount a TD scoring drive that crossed the 50 yard line on a day Cleveland lost by 2 points and Dawson missed a 41 yard field goal? ZERO. I guess I could blame the front 7 for the pic 6 KC's defense scored on but that would be misplaced frustrayion wouldn't it? How about TB? Ronde Barber took a Jake Delhomme INT inside the 6 yard line with 4 chances to score a TD. They scored THAT time but couldn't score a TD the next time Delhomme couldn't score another time our offense gave them the football late in the game inside red zone. The ONLY bad memory I have of our front 7 the first half of the year came at the expense of Atlanta.

One of the mysteries in my mind has been why have we seen so little of Shaun Rogers lately? I thought he was in blue jeans all the way until late in the game yesterday.

The year started out with D'Qwell Jackson and Robaire Smith going on IR while articles were written about Kenyon Coleman playing the BEST football of his career prior to a high ankle sprain he's continued to play through. I guess ONLY Calendar Boy (Dez Bryant) is allowed high ankle sprain excuses.

I think there's an additional mystery taking place with Marcus Benard going from fainting spells to getting equivalent rotation reps to Trusnik.

It's not like D'Qwell Jackson has been any more reliable to us than Yao Ming is to the Houston Rockets. To understand such a thing as it relates to PLANNING ahead - it becomes more of a position of problem solve instead of need to draft in round 1. I guess I could yell and scream at Rob Ryan for us being stuck with an old and outdated Eric Barton but I'd be completely misplacing my frustrations. Hopefully by now, we're getting the impression Nostradamus and/or his direct descendants haven't been employed by the Cleveland Browns.

A team coming off 5 wins cannot afford to be without its starting MLB, FA gotta have - Fujita, Robaire Smith and seeing the promise of Benard turning into fainting spells and less productivity from it. AND, what kind of economic commitment was made to the excellence or perceived excellence of Shaun Rogers? Nothing quite like a machine with 140 horse power running our of gas in less than 2 minutes. When I said I LIKED Schaefering in the rotation - it was more as a fresh legs off the bench to spell Robaire and or Coleman.

My biggest wish since it got crammed down our esophagii is to bury this FREAKIN 3-4 scheme that remains unjustified. And when we lose 2-3 starters as early as training camp - further injuries along the way remind me how many land mines Savage left in place (that 1 offseason wasn't gonna change so quickly). The reason it KEEPS happening is because when we went to the alter with it we made these limp wristed vows inclusive of "for better or worse." If we SUCK at drafting LBers that make plays at the line of scrimmage - how about only starting 3 guys there in the first place? And here's another concept, if your GM ONLY brought in FA dlinemen coming from 4-3 schemes (Rogers, S. Smith, Williams and Robaire played right here in Nashville in a 4-3 (even if he also played in Houston's limp wristed 3-4) - why not CONSIDER such a scheme that suited your players' strengths BEFORE Mangini got here? What is soooooo "gotta have" about this defense that gives QBs an eternity to throw? On top of that, teams have learned to "no huddle" the situational downs and distances just to keep the personnel they want us havign out there. We've seen this way more than once right?

[Crow]

We were behind by 3 then, right? Then by 10 and pretty much from there we were kind of screwed, given our team's lack of explosiveness, which makes it really hard to justify that call. We were nowhere near needing an onside kick. I felt good going into the second half, before we did that - we were hanging with them tough, MUCH better than I expected.

I know this team needs to pull some gambles, but the chances of a successful onside is pretty low even if the team executes well, and it's not just like a blown down - they're going to get a TD or field goal almost every time.

I guess it was "in character" for this team but not really one of the better ideas we've run.