Should these QB's have been given up on, too?

[ramrod]

Originally Posted by Inspecta

AHHHHH HOLY SHIT THERE IT IS!!!

You have no idea how much you just enlightened me on your position with that statement. Now I can at least regard this with more mutual respect. I completely understand when you've played a position and evaluate another player at the same position. That's not to say I agree with your evaluation, but now it's not like you're coming from left field on this one.
Maybe thats why my statements come off as like Im speaking fact, but spec, I promise you I wish I could look at Quinn as some of you guys do. I was the knucklehead that wanted to draft him and blew my load when we got him. Since then, well, errrrrrrr. If he does start then I am rooting for him and hopes it turns out good. Im a diehard Browns fan brotha, I would rather eat crow then him turning out bad.

Also dude, you're pretty young, did you see Young play in Tampa Bay? If you had you wouldn't say "showed signs of brilliance" yeah sure a play here and there, but it was mostly putrid play from Mr. Young during his time in Tampa. Anybody with half a brain cell would of concluded he was garbage.
Got me there. Didnt get to see him in Tampa. But the Walsh and the 49ers gave up a 2nd and 4th for him when they had Joe Montana, so Im sure Walsh seen some kind of brillance.

But again, I entertain the possibility, even the probability that you are correct in your assessment of Quinn. That's not the issue. My issue is that there really isn't a better bet in the draft or FA that we can say "if we get this guy we are over 90% certain he will be an upgrade over Quinn" Especially with the rookies coming in. Mcnabb is the only one we can say that about, and that's about as likely to happen as my wife deciding a 3 some with the hot nurse down the street is what we really need to spice things up.
For sure, you never know. I guess what Im saying is there is a better "chance" of Bradford, Clausen or Kolb being better than Quinn. But it is a chance. Ya never know.

12 games, for me, is not enough, especially in the cluster fuck environment he was placed in. If we were talking about a situation Ben walked into in Pittsburgh, and Quinn was really really shitty with all that help, then you'd have me in your corner moreso. However with the shitty play calling, the dropped passes and grandfather time (lewis) walking the ball to the LOS on each play I just can't conclude that Quinn is a bust.
12 games in 3 years and never really beat out Derek fucking Anderson and never showing anything is enough time for me. Im really curious on what Holmgren is going to do with Quinn. You know Holmgren will have to see something from him in order to keep him as his QB, period. If that happens then make room for me on that Quinn "fag" bus, maybe I'll see you on it with your wife and that hott nurse "spicing things up" a little....

But you're right, it's only Feb, we have a long long time to debate and argue this.
Yep, just imagine all of us going at it until then? My goodness.

[Shep]

I really like this post. We haven't even begun to address the hard fact that Quinn was horrifically inaccurate last year even when he had time and an open receiver. I want a logical explanation.

Grossi wanted one, too. He's been trying to figure out why the Quinn he saw last year was usually (except Detroit and one other decent game) NOT the guy he saw at ND or in preseason or spot duty his first two pro seasons. He was scattershot, sometimes late and sometimes impatient but always somehow "off."

He just seemed uncomfortable in a lot of ways. Not in a groove. Not happy on the sideline. Not in charge. He likes the no-huddle, but it wasn't enough to help him string together a couple good games.

I'm warm to the idea of him getting one more shot, a full season with a full offseason/preseason and WRs who stay in place. But he's got some work to do.

Originally Posted by Enigmatic Evil

I think Quinn has a slight tendency to get excited. He's made some bad passes sure but I think part of that excitement can be drawn from the pressure on him to win immediately. The guy's usually been thrown into it. You can't argue that fact, he's never had a pre-season where he's stepped in as THE guy. Knowing that he would be the one. DA was the guy, and got injured, Brady stepped in and got injured. Mangina's QB chess game was as detrimental to our offense as anything.

I wouldn't be surprised if his play improved with a full pre-season of 1st team reps with the players, gaining a familiarity with his offense. I can't wait for that time to roll around so we can look forward to the oncoming season instead of these often (pointlessly) heated QB debates.

[Enigmatic Evil]

Originally Posted by Shep

I really like this post. We haven't even begun to address the hard fact that Quinn was horrifically inaccurate last year even when he had time and an open receiver. I want a logical explanation.

Grossi wanted one, too. He's been trying to figure out why the Quinn he saw last year was usually (except Detroit and one other decent game) NOT the guy he saw at ND or in preseason or spot duty his first two pro seasons. He was scattershot, sometimes late and sometimes impatient but always somehow "off."

He just seemed uncomfortable in a lot of ways. Not in a groove. Not happy on the sideline. Not in charge. He likes the no-huddle, but it wasn't enough to help him string together a couple good games.

I'm warm to the idea of him getting one more shot, a full season with a full offseason/preseason and WRs who stay in place. But he's got some work to do.

I don't quite understand why Quinn was so inconsistent in his play last season either. I think the lack of faith of his head coach in him had to have something to do with it. I mean, he got pulled from the starting job after what, two games? three? That's got to do something to your self-esteem. Then he kind of just got thrown back into it.

Mangini is our head coach. He's supposed be able to manage things like chemestry of the players on the field and he should know that to swap out QB's every few weeks is only going to harm that chemestry. That's my best guess as to why Brady's performance suffered. Not to mention, Jamal Lewis at back for most of the season, pretty much average at best (in his prime he was one of the best backs in the NFL but the Browns saw none of that kind of production). Rookie Wide-outs and Chansi Stuckey made no impact when we needed him to be a playmaker for us.

As many have also stressed, no TE to catch passes. Sorry but Robert Royal is NOT the kind of player we need starting for us at TE.

I think these factors all combined to make a sinister stew that overall just harmed BQ's play. I'm not trying to stick up for Brady so much as to look at all the angles of it and be objective. There were a lot of factors that went into it. I think a change of system with a new Head Coach as well could've been a factor. Mangini was probably a radical change from Romeo.

[bamagirl]

I am right there with you. You got to at least give the kid a chance. He has the heart, it is just a question if he has the talent. Give him a chance to prove he has both.

[AdaM]

He has the heart and the talent, its the brain thats the issue. Well.. that and lack of any offensive weapons to help him.