Is this the voice of reason?? coaching change?

[Sez.EJ]

Found this on Roto Times

Speaking to the San Diego Union-Tribune, Chargers owner Dean Spanos confirmed that he is not planning to fire head coach Norv Turner this offseason. "The easiest thing in the world is to start over. Who the heck do I go hire? Blow the whole thing up? We're a pretty good team but we have to make the right moves," he said. "We've fallen. It could have been our draft picks or our free-agent moves. But we have a good core, and I don't care what anybody says, I'm not afraid to make changes. If I thought it was warranted, I would do it. We have a good foundation here."

Our View: The jury is still very much out on whether or not Turner can cut it as a head coach, but he still appears to have his players' support, and he certainly has his owner's. Expect San Diego's offense to remain elite, its defense solid and its forecast uncertain in 2011.

********** While the article is about the Chargers...it does have some relevance to our Browns and our coaching situation. We do not have as good a core of players that the Chargers do..but we do have a corps to build upon... Spanos makes a good argument for keeping Mangini.

[Riffer X]

Yeah, and Norv is a notorious underachiever with major talent at his disposal---nothing like what we have here.

[nickers]

Mangini continues to make "BAD" descisions on the field...Im not saying a new coach will take us to the playoffs next year...But watching Mangini botch up chances to get points is growing weary on Me and his clock mismanagement is just uncalled for considering hes been coaching as long as he has...Why give him another year to know what you already know about him...he blows...If the players really loved Mangini dont you think they would play harder?...Im just not seeing it or the record might be a little better...yeah sure hes a great practice coach but fails miserably on Gameday....he gets outcoached on a consistent basis...He takes confidence from his players by taking the game away from them and him and Dumboll have severely mismanaged the offense the last two season...If you want more of the same thats your choice...Ive seen enough in 2 seasons to see were going nowhere with despite the level of talent...yeah...a few improvements sure...but a losing season is a losing season.

[Enigmatic Evil]

Mangini certainly has his knocks against him and that's what fuels the coaching change debates. I think that he's come a long way personably, and that he seems to do a great job of molding players work ethics but it seems like he's almost an antithesis of himself on game day.

I am still in the 'give him one more year' boat, and I truly believe that we won't fire him. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it and I will engage in the coaching debates at that time. For now, Mangini is our head coach and all the torches, pitch forks and F-bombs aren't going to change that.

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by Enigmatic Evil

Mangini certainly has his knocks against him and that's what fuels the coaching change debates. I think that he's come a long way personably, and that he seems to do a great job of molding players work ethics but it seems like he's almost an antithesis of himself on game day.

I am still in the 'give him one more year' boat, and I truly believe that we won't fire him. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it and I will engage in the coaching debates at that time. For now, Mangini is our head coach and all the torches, pitch forks and F-bombs aren't going to change that.

I'm on the fence and wouldn't have a problem either way that Holmgren goes. But to say Mangini continually makes bad game day decisions and blows opportunities to put points on the board is just hater talk by some.

I haven't seen him miss a tackle or throw an int. or fumble a ball all year. As far as mismanaging the clock, that isn't true. You might not like how he played the last possession before half time but he didn't mismanage the clock. He had the QB do exactly what he wanted. They ran the clock down, took a few shots and then took the field goal. Many coaches would do the same thing. I didn't really care but it wasn't a mismanagement of the clock. He managed it well for what he wanted to do.

Too may people think the grass is always greener on the other side. I look at the body of work and not just wins and losses. Injuries this year were a bump in the road and hindered the team more then any decision Mangini made.

[Sez.EJ]

Originally Posted by Enigmatic Evil

For now, Mangini is our head coach and all the torches, pitch forks and F-bombs aren't going to change that.

Exactly...and until that changes.. all the talk in the world about who is a good coach for us is futile... If he gets fired..THEN and only THEN will I entertain those discussions.. So long as he is our coach..I'll keep rooting for the guy.

[Speed Dawg]

I for one don"t think he can really manage the game. He has left points on the field. No, he has not thrown an interception, missed a tackle, fumbled the ball, but he has been out coached on a regular basis. His biggest problem,in game and half time adjustments. I know the coordinators are responsible for it, but , if they don't or can't make adjustments then the head coach has to. I don't think Mangini can. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IN GAME ADJUSTMENTS, PERIOD.

[kydawgfan]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

Yeah, and Norv is a notorious underachiever with major talent at his disposal---nothing like what we have here.

Muhahahahaha!
Actually mangini will be a lifelong underachiever as well, its all about making the right decisions and mangini has proven he is incapable of even providing the team with a proper OC and a playbook that works to the teams strengths other than hillis..

I hate coaching changes to but to tolorate another year of mangini's pop warner football is just absolutely unacceptable...
Mangini blew this team up last year and failed to upgrade it the right way after failing on all but one pick, it wasnt until heckert come to town that our draft got good and its heckert who will build this team now we need a coach with a real program designed to win instead of make excuses, such as its part of the process, losing should never be part of a process or even acceptable at the nfl level of play..

[nickers]

Originally Posted by kydawgfan

Muhahahahaha!
Actually mangini will be a lifelong underachiever as well, its all about making the right decisions and mangini has proven he is incapable of even providing the team with a proper OC and a playbook that works to the teams strengths other than hillis..

I hate coaching changes to but to tolorate another year of mangini's pop warner football is just absolutely unacceptable...
Mangini blew this team up last year and failed to upgrade it the right way after failing on all but one pick, it wasnt until heckert come to town that our draft got good and its heckert who will build this team now we need a coach with a real program designed to win instead of make excuses, such as its part of the process, losing should never be part of a process or even acceptable at the nfl level of play..

I totally agree with your post..But it seems were not allowed to point out Manginis weaknesses or the Mangini supporters say "Oh those poeple dont know football" Like its a crime to dissagree with thier mindset ...look if they wanna keep drinking the Mangini Piss "& Vinegar Tonic thats fine with Me...but we dont have to agree with them just because it goes against thier thinking or its not fashionable for them.

[DawgFan]

Originally Posted by kydawgfan

Muhahahahaha!
Actually mangini will be a lifelong underachiever as well, its all about making the right decisions and mangini has proven he is incapable of even providing the team with a proper OC and a playbook that works to the teams strengths other than hillis..

I hate coaching changes to but to tolorate another year of mangini's pop warner football is just absolutely unacceptable...
Mangini blew this team up last year and failed to upgrade it the right way after failing on all but one pick, it wasnt until heckert come to town that our draft got good and its heckert who will build this team now we need a coach with a real program designed to win instead of make excuses, such as its part of the process, losing should never be part of a process or even acceptable at the nfl level of play..

OK, now I don't think ANYONE is making excuses for Mangini's draft picks not hitting...they do give him credit for "trying" to do it the NE way (trade down and accumulate picks), but he didn't hit on the picks so most of them were wasted. Bad draft.

However, we are not talking his drafting skills here. We are talking his coaching skills.

So, I ask you this.

How many teams/coaches could go through injuries to ALL THREE QB's, have no serious WR threat, have a lousy RT, and lose 1/2 of their front seven rotation on the DL...and still put up a winning record?

Heck, just address the 3 QB thing for that matter.

The fact is, and we have discussed this, without a solid starting QB you are not going to win in this league. When you are going through three of them...and changing QB's 5x during a 16 game season, you ARE NOT GOING TO WIN!!!

Now, if you look at this team, the CORE is a young, talented group, that respect and follow Mangini. That is the primary purpose of the HC. To get everyone on board.

Do I think we need to change the OC? Possibly, but then again, see the above QB issue and you can see why I hesitate on that as well.

The fact is, there are two factors that lead to consistent winning in the NFL

Same 'good' or better QB for years
Same 'good' or better HC for years

And it is pretty funny that the guys we consider to be good HC's usually had a QB that was lighting it up week in and week out.

Anyway, if we change HC, fine. I don't think Mangini is perfect...but I think he has this team on the brink of being pretty damn good...and it would be a shame to bring in somebody else to give them the credit for the groundwork Mangini has done.

Now, if he doesn't WIN next year...fine, gone, history. But we all knew this was a building year...so why all the commotion?

[OzDawg]

Originally Posted by DawgFan

OK, now I don't think ANYONE is making excuses for Mangini's draft picks not hitting...they do give him credit for "trying" to do it the NE way (trade down and accumulate picks), but he didn't hit on the picks so most of them were wasted. Bad draft.

However, we are not talking his drafting skills here. We are talking his coaching skills.

So, I ask you this.

How many teams/coaches could go through injuries to ALL THREE QB's, have no serious WR threat, have a lousy RT, and lose 1/2 of their front seven rotation on the DL...and still put up a winning record?

Heck, just address the 3 QB thing for that matter.

The fact is, and we have discussed this, without a solid starting QB you are not going to win in this league. When you are going through three of them...and changing QB's 5x during a 16 game season, you ARE NOT GOING TO WIN!!!

Now, if you look at this team, the CORE is a young, talented group, that respect and follow Mangini. That is the primary purpose of the HC. To get everyone on board.

Do I think we need to change the OC? Possibly, but then again, see the above QB issue and you can see why I hesitate on that as well.

The fact is, there are two factors that lead to consistent winning in the NFL

Same 'good' or better QB for years
Same 'good' or better HC for years

And it is pretty funny that the guys we consider to be good HC's usually had a QB that was lighting it up week in and week out.

Anyway, if we change HC, fine. I don't think Mangini is perfect...but I think he has this team on the brink of being pretty damn good...and it would be a shame to bring in somebody else to give them the credit for the groundwork Mangini has done.

Now, if he doesn't WIN next year...fine, gone, history. But we all knew this was a building year...so why all the commotion?

+1

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by DawgFan

Now, if he doesn't WIN next year...fine, gone, history. But we all knew this was a building year...so why all the commotion?

Agree 100%. Why all the commotion? Because Mangini pulled off major upsets vs New Orleans and New England in successive weeks with QB #3 and before the rest of the team caught the major injury bug going around. Now everyone thinks if the Browns can beat NO, NE - then why can't they beat Buf & Cincy? I'm sorry but the Browns won a couple they shouldn't have and lost a couple they shouldn't have - isn't this what we all expected? Wasn't this year of close game week in and week out much better than last year's blow outs week in and week out? I think with stability, a new offensive philosophy, and another great off season like last year this team is fighting for a playoff berth next year. Get a new coach and who knows? Roster turnover and two more years of rebuilding in his mold? Is that what we really want?