Does this franchise have a philosophy?

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

I would say the answer is an obvious "no".

While Mangini got a raw deal, we're going to continue to see this type of BS happen in Cleveland until our franchise settles on a philosophy and sticks to it.

What do I mean by philosophy? Well, I'm not 100% sure, but maybe you guys have some ideas.

The Steelers franchise has been able to be as successful as they have been imo, because they stick to what they believe in ...they don't just hire the next huge ego who wants to come in, clean house, and do things "his way". They pick a coach they are confident in, plug him into a solid system, and away they go.

I'm tired of the egos. I want the Cleveland Browns to have an identity, and a long lasting one at that. We need an organization that sticks to it's goals and beliefs, and doesn't cow-tow to the next big ego they can bring in to appease fans for a few more years.

I finally felt like the Browns were starting to establish the type of identity most Browns fans have longed for over the years ...and now that is out the window. When does it stop? When do the powers that be, from the top down ...lay out a franchise map and stick to it? Continuity through-out several decades ...can you imagine where we would be? Right where the Steelers are I guess.

Maybe I'm just rambling, but I am tired of seeing some of the worst fans in the NFL (Pittspuke) being treated to a great team year in, year out. I want the continuity they have.

The big picture that was so clear to me and many others has just crumbled before our very eyes, and now we are left wondering ...what's next? Again! It's got to stop.

I hope Holmgren gets it right, and that if he does ...we stick to the plan instead of running out the next guy when things don't go the way we expect.

So tired of this shit.

[Masters]

I think from an organizational stand point CLE started down the path of an identity last January when they hired Holmgren and Heckert. Prior to that, the identity was still to some extent dysfunction.

I am still wondering though what the big picture was that just crumbled with the firing of EM. A team that could run the ball and stop the run, which never materialized? The only thing that came about was a team that was team first for the most part, which prepared well M-F, and studied well. None of that should go away just because EM has been let go. EM did some good things for the team, which were things that should have been done years ago, as far as understanding how to prepare and practice. Unfortunately that didn't often translate to Sundays and victories.

I hope they get it right with this HC hire. But no one ran any HC out of town. The fans and the media do not cause the hiring or firing of any HC. Holmgren didn't fire EM because of anything Mary Kay or Grossi wrote, or because anything said on WKNR. If media really had that type of influence, Tom Coughlin would have been gone from NY a long time ago. There media is far harsher than anything CLE media could dream of dishing out.

[YtownBacker]

The philosophy is to WIN.................................they have the FO and scouting staff in place. There will be an offensive minded HC hired that will run a WCO and Holmgren and Heckert will continue to bring in core players to move this organization toward a winner.

sounds good doesn't it...................................

[eqrulz101]

I would say the philosophy is Rebuilding. We have done it every couple of years for decades.

Honestly, I really felt like we had a strong foundation being built. Now all I see is another rebuild. I really cannot believe we was stupid enough to fire Mangini. Some of you sound pretty happy. Well, I hope your happy next year when we are below .500 again and hear the excusses of this is the HC first year, they need more time.

Let the cycle begin anew.

[Vegasdogg]

If Mangini got a raw deal, than safe to say RAC got a raw deal as well.

How did Mangini get a raw deal? I don't get it. Someone please tell me how injuries and talent get him off the hook for JAX, CIN and BUF losses.

Please.

[dogpaddle]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

If Mangini got a raw deal, than safe to say RAC got a raw deal as well.

How did Mangini get a raw deal? I don't get it. Someone please tell me how injuries and talent get him off the hook for JAX, CIN and BUF losses.

Please.

Romeo arguably got a better deal than Mangini.

First two seasons he won 6 games and then 4. So after 2 seasons, both Romeo and Mangini were 10-22. Romeo got two more years after that...Mangini none.

If it's all about winning in the end, neither one did it in the first two years but one had a shorter leash.

[PlaygroundLegend]

Its more complicated than just picking a philosophy and sticking to it, first you need to find the RIGHT philosophy. Then, it needs to be DEVELOPED. An organizational philosophy is like an organism. It needs to go through countless bouts of survival of the fittest, and continue to evolve. Not simple.

Eventually, some organizations will begin to decline due to environmental factors, others will adapt and become dominant.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

How does a franchise like the Steelers do it? How do they provide long-term security to their coaches, and when the time comes to replace a coach ...they do so without missing a beat?

There are plenty of philosophies out there that "work", but when you can't commit to one long term, I think it really makes it tough to succeed long term as an organization.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

Originally Posted by PlaygroundLegend

Its more complicated than just picking a philosophy and sticking to it, first you need to find the RIGHT philosophy. Then, it needs to be DEVELOPED. An organizational philosophy is like an organism. It needs to go through countless bouts of survival of the fittest, and continue to evolve. Not simple.

Eventually, some organizations will begin to decline due to environmental factors, others will adapt and become dominant.

I posted before I read your response. Yah I agree, which is why it pisses me off that when we finally have a guy building a clear foundation, one that no coach since our return has bothered to build ...we fire him. Masters says there's no reason we can't just continue to build on the foundation Mangini laid ...and while I agree, that just doesn't happen in Cleveland. Egos get in the way and people want to do things their own way.

Tired of Egos. I want the Cleveland Browns to have an identity. Not Mike Holmgren, or whoever else the next big name we bring to town is. The Browns organization needs to have a roadmap to success beofre those guys are in place imo. Or something like that.

Maybe I'm not real sure what I am trying to say.

[Riffer X]

I think EM's downfall with Walrus was the offensive phiosophy first and foremost. Walrus envisions his version of the North Coast Offense resembling the Niners with Montana or even his teams in Seattle and GB. That's the identity he wants, so let's see if he can do it.

It's on him now. He kept EM and anything less than 500 and he knew he was gone, basically he just used him to bridge the shit gap in talent and form a foundation. Since we are doing this yet again, I want a dynamic type of offensive philosophy. I think you can win with EM's style, but all the pieces have to be in place first. Are we going to have all the pieces in place for the next coach by next year? LMAO, me don't think so.

[OconRecon]

We had an identity. A philosophy. And then the team moved, won a Super Bowl, and is still known as one of the hardest hitting teams in the league, with a bright young coach, a strong front office, and players who are true leaders.

Indeed we are still struggling to find our thing. I'm just tired of the sting and frustration of watching the Ravens and Steelers be exactly what I want for our Browns.

It burns!!! Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by OconRecon

We had an identity. A philosophy. And then the team moved, won a Super Bowl, and is still known as one of the hardest hitting teams in the league, with a bright young coach, a strong front office, and players who are true leaders.

Indeed we are still struggling to find our thing. I'm just tired of the sting and frustration of watching the Ravens and Steelers be exactly what I want for our Browns.

It burns!!! Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

That's the worst part, those guys are what we are supposed to be and our biggest rivals. It sucks hard.