Kam Wimbley - named Defensive POW

[Sez.EJ]

My biggest problem with Ngata and Wimbley..was not that we JUST passed on Ngata.. but we actually traded/swapped picks with Baltimore.. they took Ngata... I was so excited Ngata was sitting right there for the taking with our pick.... as we had a great need there ..then we just turned around and handed the guy to Baltimore.. and we took Wimbley with the next pick.. very frustrating.. I hate project picks..

[Enigmatic Evil]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

You're generalizing. Because I for sure was saying this about Wimbley since the day Romeo Crenell was fired. and I was saying it last year. Wimbley was totally MISUSED and RUINED by Romeo Crennel. He actually showed some flashes last year. And I for sure was saying I didn't want to see him get traded, but I understood the rationale behind it. Same thing with KWII. He was my favorite Brown for a while, and I hated the day we traded him. But I didn't blame Mangini for trading him, I understood the rationale and how the NFL works.

I think too many fans think just because a guy gets cuts or traded from one team that means they weren't good enough, or if they were good, the team was stupid. So many things go into the equation on whehter or not to sign, trade or cut a player it's not just as simple as player X is better than player Y.

I'll ask you this, and some people will groan hearing me bring this up. James Harrison. Pittsburgh linebacker, a guy lots of people think is one of the best linebackers around, a defense player of the year one year. Do you know how many times he was cut early in his career?

Now, I'm not trying to say that just because we got rid of Wimbley that he wasn't any good. I'm just saying that people were down on Wimbley last season are now all for him and this sudden change of tune is very strange to me.

To be honest, I don't think the Harrison comparison is warranted at all. I don't like Harrison but he's head and shoulders a better linebacker than Wimbley. Harrison is a bit dirty, that much can't be argued but he plays with a lot better field presence and field awareness than Wimbley EVER has. Wimbley's never even shown the kind of promise or potential to reach Harrison's level. He was a reach when we drafted him and we traded him away because he didn't mesh with what Mangini was trying to create. He wasn't versatile enough for the system in 09, I don't think he'll all of a sudden be a great fit in 2011.

Not trying to say Wimbley's garbage or anything like that, just the .180 in tone toward him is kind of surprising.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Enigmatic Evil

Now, I'm not trying to say that just because we got rid of Wimbley that he wasn't any good. I'm just saying that people were down on Wimbley last season are now all for him and this sudden change of tune is very strange to me.

To be honest, I don't think the Harrison comparison is warranted at all. I don't like Harrison but he's head and shoulders a better linebacker than Wimbley. Harrison is a bit dirty, that much can't be argued but he plays with a lot better field presence and field awareness than Wimbley EVER has. Wimbley's never even shown the kind of promise or potential to reach Harrison's level. He was a reach when we drafted him and we traded him away because he didn't mesh with what Mangini was trying to create. He wasn't versatile enough for the system in 09, I don't think he'll all of a sudden be a great fit in 2011.

Not trying to say Wimbley's garbage or anything like that, just the .180 in tone toward him is kind of surprising.

First of all where I am saying you are generalizing is saying that everyone here thought Wimbley sucked. I never did, I don't think Riffer did either. The loud voices that were here back in probably drowned us out with QB talk.

On the Harrison/Wimbley comparison.


Go read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H...rican_football)

Harrison wasn't drafted, was on the Steelers PRACTICE squad for 2 years getting CUT 3 times in those 2 yeas. He was then signed by Baltimore and CUT again, before signing on with the Steelers and only NOT BECOMING a VETERINARIAN because Clark Haggans got injured.

So you can't say what a players going to be like all the time by their first years.

[Enigmatic Evil]

You may be right there Golfer. I do recall more negativity surrounding Wimbley than any praise and yeah... pretty much EVERY thread was bogged down with pointless QB drivel in those dark times of the 2009 off-season.

I'm not trying to say it couldn't happen either but I just don't see Wimbley on the level of Harrison. Wimbley is good at what he does, but his skill set is rather limited in comparison IMO.

[Vegasdogg]

Wimbley is fast and that is it. He is also very blockable, and needs better edge setting ability. He is a project or situational pass rusher, but I don't think he is 1st round material. He is worth something if our QB turns out to be a stud, though.

[PlaygroundLegend]

I was shocked and disappointed when I heard the Wimbley trade news, I thought we should have gotten a second rounder, especially since he had showed alot of progress last year, there was press on his improvement, Rob Ryan loved blitzing him

There were alot of haters, people forgot that he got injured

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

My biggest problem with Ngata and Wimbley..was not that we JUST passed on Ngata.. but we actually traded/swapped picks with Baltimore.. they took Ngata... I was so excited Ngata was sitting right there for the taking with our pick.... as we had a great need there ..then we just turned around and handed the guy to Baltimore.. and we took Wimbley with the next pick.. very frustrating.. I hate project picks..

I really wanted Ngata too. After giving up a 2nd round pick to the Lions to move up one spot in the 2004 NFL Draft, I thought that we'd ask for more from the Ravens. We could have received more than just a measly little 6th round pick that I believe turned out to be Stanford's Babatunde Oshinowo.

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

Wimbley is fast and that is it. He is also very blockable, and needs better edge setting ability. He is a project or situational pass rusher, but I don't think he is 1st round material. He is worth something if our QB turns out to be a stud, though.

Problem is, he has no inside move as well. Once teams figured out how one dimensional he was, it was easy to take him out of a game. He couldn't get off blocks in the run game because he lacked strength, and he rushed to the outside and that's it.

[MackTruck]

Originally Posted by PB&J

I'd like to note that Kam has been playing all year with the raiders as a linebacker, not a defensive end. Just because he played DE at florida state doesn't mean he can play DE in the pros.

Incorrect. Kam has been played as a situational DE. Not a LB.

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by DaBrowns41

After giving up a 2nd round pick to the Lions to move up one spot in the 2004 NFL Draft, I thought that we'd ask for more from the Ravens.

I hated that trade when it happened because I was sure the Lions were bluffing about taking Winslow not to mention a high 2nd rd pick to move up one spot? WTF was dumb ass Butchie thinking?

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by Jax Dawg

I hated that trade when it happened because I was sure the Lions were bluffing about taking Winslow not to mention a high 2nd rd pick to move up one spot? WTF was dumb ass Butchie thinking?

I try not to think about it often, but it always comes back. They never had any intentions of taking KW2. Robbery.