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Dez Bryant won't work out?

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Bryant sounds no more mature than the oft pissed-on Mike Williams.

Do we really need this kind of risk at seven, when there are not only so many other great options there AND such a deep WR class?
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It's so hard to get a good feel on whether a guy's character issues are legit or not, especially when you're limited to what (dis)information leaks out to the media. NFL teams have trouble with this stuff, so it's not a surprise that we can't get a clear picture on Bryant.

But for me, it's better to err on the side of caution on these things. Sure, Bryant is an intriguing talent, but there are other guys who could have a similar impact for us. And though Bryant could be a home run of a pick, we can't afford to strike out at #7.
PGL and Dez-lovers: the question isn't about Dez being a good pick, it's about whether he's a good pick at #7 for the Cleveland Browns.

mz and Alo sum it up well here. It comes down to risk vs. reward, and where you want to invest your organizational capital.

You guys know I think in organizational terms a lot and that's because as many of us know who work in various organziations and undertand how they work, a cost is not just about cash. You can write cash off pretty easily, or find it elsewhere to erase a sunk cost.

What you can't recover as easily is the investment of time and energy and the effect of that investment on efficiency and productivity.

To see what I'm referring to, reference Tom's post above on K2 or just think back on all the wasted time and energy invested in BE.

If I was drafting, I would look for guys that are interested in not only making money but who want to be part of a team, who want to be coached and challenged, who want to improve themselves, and then ultimately, win a championship.

I suspect something like tihs is what Mangini was doing last year and what H3 are doing now. Talent by itself is not good enough and cannot win you a thing.

The key to lasting organizational success is to have a framework within which to work and then to add players who fit the framework.

Talent is obviously necessary but is not sufficient for success.

So, ultimately, H3 have got to determine who is worth not only the money but the time and energy.

I just don't see a guy like Dez being worth that kind of investment.
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If I was drafting, I would look for guys that are interested in not only making money but who want to be part of a team, who want to be coached and challenged, who want to improve themselves, and then ultimately, win a championship.

I suspect something like tihs is what Mangini was doing last year and what H3 are doing now. Talent by itself is not good enough and cannot win you a thing.

The key to lasting organizational success is to have a framework within which to work and then to add players who fit the framework.

Talent is obviously necessary but is not sufficient for success.

So, ultimately, H3 have got to determine who is worth not only the money but the time and energy.

I just don't see a guy like Dez being worth that kind of investment.
This is an amazing post in terms of explaining what you want from a promising prospect. Diva's are NOT coachable and rules only apply to lesser talented players/citizens. Not ALL the 1st round prospects are Divas. There's a difference between being a confident kid that works (so swagger accepted) than a kid that comes here feelign entitled (because your team sucks and you need me). They're all gonna rehearse with their agents the RIGHT things to say to NFL teams at the Combines (especially yhe ones drafting with the larger signing bonuses).

When you can't get an elite player on the field (because of behavioral consequences) - you HAVE to pay attention to this when there's sqeaky clean kids you won't have to worry about. If that's not enough, I REALLY wanted to see if the 4.6 forty rumors are true because a 4.6 forty-guy is NOT gonna be a difference maker for QBs struggling with accuracy and confidence. We need a kid that can separate and TRUST ME when I remind you the AFC North contests passign routes UNLIKE the Big 12 in 2008. Research the Big 12 conference passing leaders/stats of 08 from top to bottom if you don't believe that.
- Tom F. (I'm not saying Bryant won't go upper half of round 1 - I'm saying I think there's some red flags calling for extensive research for the taker)

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Apparently, it was a very serious hamstring injury...

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According to his agent, WR Dez Bryant is going to perform at the Oklahoma State pro day on March 11.
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Apparently, it was a very serious hamstring injury...

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Sounds like he tweaked his labia.
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I hope Dez REALLY rebounds because he's starting to look like the only realistic candidate at #7... and if he falls off, too, we'll be sitting duck trade partners.

I think the chances of us taking Haden are zero. About the chances of Berry or Bradford making it to us.

Chances of Clausen making it to us are 19 percent, exactly.

It's become a weird slot.
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This is a good read:

The Interrogation of Dez Bryant

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"He seemed like a good guy to us," said one NFL scout, who was present when his team interviewed Bryant at the combine. "But the background overall, you really have to examine. It's scary. The family situation was a disaster. The academic background is highly questionable. If you were going to draft him, you would really have to do due diligence. This was critical for him to be here, to shake hands and meet people. He needed to sell himself. The football part? Tremendous ability. Tops in all areas as a receiver."

The scout was asked, all things considered, if he thinks Bryant will remain a top-10 pick?

"Yes," he answered. "But the team that drafts him has to be smart. They must realize he needs to be monitored. Like I said, he comes from a scary situation."
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Interesting, Alo. Fits my read on him. I've never heard that he's a bad guy, but it sounds like he might have some emotional baggage.
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