Pat Shurmur Leading Candidate?

[eqrulz101]

I'm seeing reports that Pat Shurmur is the leading candidate for the HC position. This is a guy that the people in St Louis wanted to fire as an OC and we are gonna hire him as HC? Like I said before, dumbest move we could make was firing Mangini. And now we are gonna make another bad decision and hire another bad HC. Unfreaking real. God I hate being a Browns fan sometimes.

[Alo]

I spent a chunk of today asking well-informed Rams fans about Shurmur, and they generally had more positive opinions about the guy (and his potential as a HC) than the OP indicates.

Here's a nice writeup by the top dog at RamsHerd.com

[eqrulz101]

It boils down to firing Mangini, a guy that had this team showing improvement, for an unknown. Not a good decision imo. But who knows it could work out...

As you know, the Browns are known for having great luck.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

So according to that article that Alo presented (thanks Alo) Pat Shurmur had the same total of brilliant game plans as Brian Daboll did this past season. (2)

Here's a video of a Pat Shurmur press conference fwiw.

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[Enigmatic Evil]

If we're not going to bring in an experienced HC, I hope we surround the kid with a wealth of coaches that he could learn from. If we did hire him, would he be younger than McDaniels when the Broncos hired him? (Youngest HC in NFL History wasn't he?)

It's something I don't feel good about but I have read praise of his work with Sam Bradford. Since we have our own budding young QB to groom this doesn't seem all that bad.

His connections with Holmgren also are probably fueling his standing in the possibilities as well.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Alo

I spent a chunk of today asking well-informed Rams fans about Shurmur, and they generally had more positive opinions about the guy (and his potential as a HC) than the OP indicates.

Here's a nice writeup by the top dog at RamsHerd.com

We're firing a guy that was able to go 10-6 as a HC in NY for another young OC like Josh McDaniels? How much better were the Rams? They won 2 more games in arguably the worst division in football. You swap schedules and let them play Pittsburgh and Baltimore twice and I guarantee St Louis was a 5-11 team or less. Did Bradford beat New England and New orleans like a healthy McCoy did? This team was 5-7 with an OT loss to the Jets when Colt McCoy was healthy - and he only played in half those games.

I'm not saying the young OC's recently reaching puberty are BAD coaches. I'm just not sure doing well in 1 phase of the game - makes them experts and ready for being the gran PooBah.

Golfer already brought this up about Shurmur that 2 years as an OC doesn't mean he's gonna become any BETETR than Brad Childress was. Scott Linehan WAS the same dude. Smart young OC - who became in over his head as a Head Coach.

Am I wrong to get a bad vibe here?

[Alo]

Pat Shurmur's 45 years old; he's only been an NFL OC for two years, but he's by no means an unprepared youngun.

Here's Peter King on Shurmur:

I said Saturday on NBC that 45-year-old St. Louis offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur was the hot name in Cleveland, and probably the leader in the clubhouse for the Browns job. That could change, but I hear they want to make a decision quickly, and Shurmur was very impressive when he interviewed with Mike Holmgren on Friday.

Shurmur points of interest: He knows Holmgren from his days hanging around the Packers occasionally when Uncle Fritz was Holmgren's defensive coordinator. He has an MBA. He coached under Nick Saban at Michigan State and Andy Reid in Philadelphia. He's tight with Browns GM Tom Heckert; they worked together for eight years under Reid in Philadelphia. He'd run the exact West Coast offense Holmgren wants run, the one Holmgren taught Reid, and the one Reid taught Shurmur. So the connections are good. We'll see this week if they're good enough.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Flugel

We're firing a guy that was able to go 10-6 as a HC in NY for another young OC like Josh McDaniels? How much better were the Rams? They won 2 more games in arguably the worst division in football. You swap schedules and let them play Pittsburgh and Baltimore twice and I guarantee St Louis was a 5-11 team or less. Did Bradford beat New England and New orleans like a healthy McCoy did? This team was 5-7 with an OT loss to the Jets when Colt McCoy was healthy - and he only played in half those games.

I'm not saying the young OC's recently reaching puberty are BAD coaches. I'm just not sure doing well in 1 phase of the game - makes them experts and ready for being the gran PooBah.

Golfer already brought this up about Shurmur that 2 years as an OC doesn't mean he's gonna become any BETETR than Brad Childress was. Scott Linehan WAS the same dude. Smart young OC - who became in over his head as a Head Coach.

Am I wrong to get a bad vibe here?

LOL here we go again Tom

Actually Shurmur is one of the names I LIKE as our next HC. The difference between Shurmur and a Childress or McDaniels is that I like that Shumur will have Homgren and Heckert as bosses.

However, my one Proviso in hiring a coach like Shurmur is that I'd want an established strong DC under him. The only name I can think that fits that bill is Mike Nolan, but maybe someone else can come up with other names for me.

[kydawgfan]

Firing mangini was a prerequisite to success, his work as a low football IQ concrete worker was done and now we need a guy with some fire and creativity to take this club out of loser hell..

However i dont care much for shurmur or morninweg but believe either would be a nominal yet unacceptable upgrade over mangini but jon gruden is the guy we need anything else would be a bunch of "mularkey"...

[ramrod]

If we fired Mangini for this guy I will officially quit on the Browns and the NFL all together. Did you watch this guys gameplan vs the Seahawks? Oh lord jesus dont do this to us.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by kydawgfan

Firing mangini was a prerequisite to success, his work as a low football IQ concrete worker was done and now we need a guy with some fire and creativity to take this club out of loser hell..

However i dont care much for shurmur or morninweg but believe either would be a nominal yet unacceptable upgrade over mangini but jon gruden is the guy we need anything else would be a bunch of "mularkey"...

Well then you are going to be SORELY disaponted, something the rest of us will enjoy just on the face of it.

[Danamal]

Classic Cleveland.
You asked for blood,you got and now everyones starting to realize,"oh shit maybe we fucked up?"
There is no caped crusader out there and who in there right mind would want to come into this town and put up with this bullshit.
The Browns are going to get another RAC and we will revisit this again in two years,hopefully by then MAYBE some people will get it.
Meanwhile it is almost a certainty that Mangini will end up being one of the most winningest coaches in the NFL and run out of fingers for Superbowl rings and we will have to learn how to spin it positive just like another NFL coach that just wins.
It might just be time to consider a new team jersey after 40+ years of this shit fest.