Dan Pompei makes Shep happy

[Sez.EJ]

I think once this has run it's course..move the thread to hell so we can get back to football only posts and not posts about posters.. LOL

[damajuki]

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Glad to see everyone making up. It's a better board with EVERYONE that came here in the beginning, shep included.

I don't get crowing about liking Colt McCoy way back when, guys. It was entirely justifiable to be skeptical of the kid, given, y'know, he got passed over by PROFESSIONAL TALENT EVALUATORS 84 times in one afternoon.

Hardly a rousing endorsement of his potential, right? Not crazy to be a bit reluctant to jump on that bandwagon, right?

But, now that the Browns organization has coalesced into the first ever West Coast-on-the-North-Coast, a system which seemingly suits his strengths to a tee, there is reason for hope and excitement, and a legitimate reason to get on the bandwagon.

Personally, I'm not quite ready for a seat on said bandwagon yet because I have a hard time getting over the whole "passed over 84 times" thing. But I'm willing to have an open mind going into 2011.

What choice do I have? Can't get off the rollercoaster now, can I?

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by damajuki

I don't get crowing about liking Colt McCoy way back when, Riff. It was entirely justifiable to be skeptical of the kid, given, y'know, he got passed over by PROFESSIONAL TALENT EVALUATORS 84 times in one afternoon.

Hardly a rousing endorsement of his potential, right? Not crazy to be a bit reluctant to jump on that bandwagon, right?

But, now that the Browns organization has coalesced into the first ever West Coast-on-the-North-Coast, a system which seemingly suits his strengths to a tee, there is reason for hope and excitement, and a legitimate reason to get on the bandwagon.

Personally, I'm not quite ready for a seat on said bandwagon yet because I have a hard time getting over the whole "passed over 84 times" thing. But I'm willing to have an open mind going into 2011.

What choice do I have? Can't get off the rollercoaster now, can I?

Ok so I get real tired when people use that "got passed over 84 times" kind of thing with any player. Some people will try to counter you with the face that lots of great QBs got drafted lower than McCoy, I'm not going to take that tact.

Instead, I'm going to come at you in a different direction to show you how your number is wrong.

I'm going to fake it here then if I get bored tomorow I'll go back and fill in the exact numbers.

but here's the thing, In reality McCoy did not get passed over 84 times, unless you think the Colts had a reason to draft a QB, or the Steelers, Or the Patriots....get where I am going with this?

So I would venture to guess that at most 10 teams in the NFL were in need of a quarterback, and McCoy got drafted in round 3. So you are down to McCoy getting passed over roughly 30 times.

HOWEVER we're not done yet. because once the Rams drafted Bradford #1, they were out of the running to draft another QB. Same with the Broncos. and then even the Panthers, you can subtract every pick each of those teams had after they chose their quarterback from your mythical 84 times.

The facts are there are many many many determining factors as to why certain players are drafted where they are each year. Strong RB draft class means one guy might get drafted lower ect. and Star players of all positions are found through out the draft. More impact players are found in round one sure, but the fact that a guy didn't get drafted till round 3 doesn't mean squat when it really comes down to it.

sorry for the rant, this wasn't directly solely at you, you're not the first one to use that type of rationale and it just gets to me.

[damajuki]

Golfer, fair enough, and good point on the "passed over" thing.

I don't really care about the number and that's not really the point I'm making, as you certainly understand.

The point is, simply, that NO team -- regardless of need -- even took a flier for 2 and a half rounds on a four-year starter and proven winner for a big-time school. That's a red flag; it's gotta be. It's okay to call it as such.

And yes, it's possible McCoy is the next great "missed" QB, it's just not very likely. Let's not rehash the whole first round vs. everywhere else debate, we've all read it enough during the Quinn/DA stupidity of 2007/2008.

Bottom line: there were legitimate questions about McCoy that he has only BEGUN to answer. I need to see more and I look forward to it. I'm just not ready to say we've found our guy without seeing a bigger sample of work.

[hiwaygal]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

What I do know is I have higher expectations for this group and no matter how myopic that comes across, that's where I stand. And to be completely honest my expectations would be around .500 if Eric was still here.

I'm sure I have more faith in Holmgren and Co. than most, but I don't think he walks on water like some believe Mangini did.

You were doing good...right up until the very end! lol

I agree with all of that. And while I don't think EM was the second coming, I think he can (and will) be a great coach someday. Will it matter to us? I hope not.

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Everybody here knows football. Fact. Why? Because they've been fans and players since they were little boys.

*ahem*

lol

[brnsbaby]

Is like the browns too go after mcnabb or young even tho he's a cancer

[hammertime]

Blain Gabbert seems very intriging, Cam Newton is going to do some wowing at the combines.

Defense is downright scary in this draft. We can do some good things again this year.

[Brown Warrior]

It's okay to dig Colt now without reinventing history. The truth is that any quarterback who gets that much exposure and starts that many games but gets picked late in round 3? There absolutely are reasons. And the reasons on this one were arm strength and height.

Colt McCoy is 6'3" with even Sam Bradford's arm, which is good but not amazing, he goes top five overall. Quarterbacks are a commodity in this league. Nobody DREAMS of picking Florida Jesus over McCoy unless there's some question marks.

That said? I don't really give a shit that he was picked in round 3. I don't really care that, as the OBR just again pointed out, the chances of a team finding its starting quarterback in round 3 is about as likely as getting a shark bite in Lake Erie.

I don't care. I liked what I saw for the run of games prior to the injury. I saw a guy who, in the right offense, could be a very, very good starter in this league. Even with the way he closed, I think there are teams that would pick him in round 2 now (if I were Carolina, I would... I said it).

He's far from a lock, but I feel SO much better looking forward to what McCoy can do under Holmgren and Shurmur's tutelage in a WCO than I was going into last year with JAKE FREAKING DELHOMME!!!! AAAARRGGGHH!

Good to see you, Dama.

Originally Posted by damajuki

Golfer, fair enough, and good point on the "passed over" thing.

I don't really care about the number and that's not really the point I'm making, as you certainly understand.

The point is, simply, that NO team -- regardless of need -- even took a flier for 2 and a half rounds on a four-year starter and proven winner for a big-time school. That's a red flag; it's gotta be. It's okay to call it as such.

And yes, it's possible McCoy is the next great "missed" QB, it's just not very likely. Let's not rehash the whole first round vs. everywhere else debate, we've all read it enough during the Quinn/DA stupidity of 2007/2008.

Bottom line: there were legitimate questions about McCoy that he has only BEGUN to answer. I need to see more and I look forward to it. I'm just not ready to say we've found our guy without seeing a bigger sample of work.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by damajuki

Golfer, fair enough, and good point on the "passed over" thing.

I don't really care about the number and that's not really the point I'm making, as you certainly understand.

The point is, simply, that NO team -- regardless of need -- even took a flier for 2 and a half rounds on a four-year starter and proven winner for a big-time school. That's a red flag; it's gotta be. It's okay to call it as such.

And yes, it's possible McCoy is the next great "missed" QB, it's just not very likely. Let's not rehash the whole first round vs. everywhere else debate, we've all read it enough during the Quinn/DA stupidity of 2007/2008.

Bottom line: there were legitimate questions about McCoy that he has only BEGUN to answer. I need to see more and I look forward to it. I'm just not ready to say we've found our guy without seeing a bigger sample of work.

Like I said, this wasn't as much about Colt specifically as to the "passed over thing" for any player.

It's all good.

[Greythan]

I'm a huge Colt McCoy fan.

I loved the pick. I am not a college football fan; passing at best. So, I watched very little of McCoy in college. Why did I love the pick? Value. For a team starved for a QB, I thought using a 3rd round pick (especially considering we had an extra 2nd round pick) as a flyer on a QB that most thought would be taken earlier was a great value.

Preseason. He looked middling to me. Didn't create a lot of concern as I was sold on the notion that he was going to hold a clipboard all year.

First four starts. Wow, showed a ton. Top attribute was the "feel" element. It was clear that the game wasn't too big for him. He has the look of a championship quarterback. No surprise based on his college resume. He also showed great touch. Ball was where it was supposed to be and easily catchable.

He also showed real promise in the intermediate routes. Ball had enough zip and combined with his timing (i.e., got the ball out early in those intermediate routes) made the intermediate passing game legit. The long ball was another item. Wasn't a huge concern for me considering our lack of established, deep route receivers.

Last two games. I'm still a McCoy fan, but there's no denying that he threw some ducks in the last two games. I don't think we're being fair if that isn't acknowledged. How much one wants to read into his "bad" passes those two weeks is probably a personal preference thing.

I'm firmly in Camp McCoy. Considering his small body of NFL work and the surrounding cast/lame duck coaching staff it would be hard NOT to be excited. I fully expect him to thrive in the more West Coast oriented offense we expect to see. I further fully expect him to demonstrate sufficient arm strength for the position (hitting smaller windows on intermediate routes and throwing accurate long balls) to keep defenses honest. The Montana analogy is a good one from a physical standpoint: I don't expect him to be limited by his physical ability; his ceiling is based on what is between his ears.

[Brown Warrior]

Well said, Grey.

Originally Posted by Greythan

I'm a huge Colt McCoy fan.

I loved the pick. I am not a college football fan; passing at best. So, I watched very little of McCoy in college. Why did I love the pick? Value. For a team starved for a QB, I thought using a 3rd round pick (especially considering we had an extra 2nd round pick) as a flyer on a QB that most thought would be taken earlier was a great value.

Preseason. He looked middling to me. Didn't create a lot of concern as I was sold on the notion that he was going to hold a clipboard all year.

First four starts. Wow, showed a ton. Top attribute was the "feel" element. It was clear that the game wasn't too big for him. He has the look of a championship quarterback. No surprise based on his college resume. He also showed great touch. Ball was where it was supposed to be and easily catchable.

He also showed real promise in the intermediate routes. Ball had enough zip and combined with his timing (i.e., got the ball out early in those intermediate routes) made the intermediate passing game legit. The long ball was another item. Wasn't a huge concern for me considering our lack of established, deep route receivers.

Last two games. I'm still a McCoy fan, but there's no denying that he threw some ducks in the last two games. I don't think we're being fair if that isn't acknowledged. How much one wants to read into his "bad" passes those two weeks is probably a personal preference thing.

I'm firmly in Camp McCoy. Considering his small body of NFL work and the surrounding cast/lame duck coaching staff it would be hard NOT to be excited. I fully expect him to thrive in the more West Coast oriented offense we expect to see. I further fully expect him to demonstrate sufficient arm strength for the position (hitting smaller windows on intermediate routes and throwing accurate long balls) to keep defenses honest. The Montana analogy is a good one from a physical standpoint: I don't expect him to be limited by his physical ability; his ceiling is based on what is between his ears.