Brad Seely no longer with team

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

I would like to think the offense will be better regardless of the offensive scheme or play calling just based on Colt being the starter all year. If not, there will be some serious issues for folks to answer to.

Oh I agree. I just always find it interesting that those folks who were SO SURE Dabs was such a HUGE problem, always shy away from making that guarantee.

[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

Oh I agree. I just always find it interesting that those folks who were SO SURE Dabs was such a HUGE problem, always shy away from making that guarantee.

Eat me. Who's shying away?

I guaran-effing-tee we'll be better statistically on offense this year (next year, whatever) than we were with Brian "Mo Carthon" Daboll calling the dumbest-shit gameplan week in and week out.

It's like he treated every series as the opening series. Gotta establish the run.


I'd make this guarantee with Seneca Wallace under center.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

Eat me. Who's shying away?

I guaran-effing-tee we'll be better statistically on offense this year (next year, whatever) than we were with Brian "Mo Carthon" Daboll calling the dumbest-shit gameplan week in and week out.

It's like he treated every series as the opening series. Gotta establish the run.


I'd make this guarantee with Seneca Wallace under center.

You're the second one I've seen to actually make that guarantee with out talking about the labor situation, who we draft, who our new OC is. So Kudos, No need for me to "eat you". Just like Vegas on what our record will be next year. I respect folks who stand behind their opinions once they get what they wanted.

[Legacy Fan]

Yeah, so maybe the "eat me" thing was a bit forward. My bad.

I'm just frustrated with all the "it's black!" "no, it's white!" going on...
It is possible to think that Dbs was in over his head without wanting wholesale regime change. At least, that's my take on it. I think Mangini got a bit of a raw deal, but part of that onus is on him (keeping Dabs). If I were him, and Mike Holmgren just burst into the war room & put his foot-down and said "Shut up, you two, were drafting McCoy" (the most successful WCOish QB in the NCAA), I'd have immediately picked up the phone and began looking for an OC who can run the WCO (seeing as that is kind of Big Show's thing).

I dont think that switching D's will help our W-Ls (but I hope I'm wrong).
But statistically (keep in mind percentages are part of statistics) we'll have a better O than last year. Even if it doesn't put up the raw production. That's where I'm coming from.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

Yeah, so maybe the "eat me" thing was a bit forward. My bad.

I'm just frustrated with all the "it's black!" "no, it's white!" going on...
It is possible to think that Dbs was in over his head without wanting wholesale regime change. At least, that's my take on it. I think Mangini got a bit of a raw deal, but part of that onus is on him (keeping Dabs). If I were him, and Mike Holmgren just burst into the war room & put his foot-down and said "Shut up, you two, were drafting McCoy" (the most successful WCOish QB in the NCAA), I'd have immediately picked up the phone and began looking for an OC who can run the WCO (seeing as that is kind of Big Show's thing).

I dont think that switching D's will help our W-Ls (but I hope I'm wrong).
But statistically (keep in mind percentages are part of statistics) we'll have a better O than last year. Even if it doesn't put up the raw production. That's where I'm coming from.

I took absolutely no offense in that eat me. I understood where you were coming from.

As I said to Riffer, I actually expect the offense to be better also. Statiscally and in look. I think MCCoy will get more comfortable in his second year, and especially being "THE GUY" from day 1, even Mangini said he was much mroe comfortable in the starter role compared to a back up role. I think we'll likely improve some of the offensive talent through the draft and free agency. And I don't have a problem with the idea that the next coordinator may fit Colt's skill set better than Dabs did.

And I 100% agree with you that if Mangini had changed OCs last summer it might have helped in keeping him here. and that this wholesale regime change was possibly not the best course of action. Couple that with the Bernie article and you can understand why some of us feel that things have the potential to go in a very bad direction.

My one hope in all this is NOT Holmgren, it's Heckert. I believe Heckert is a good GM, I believe he drafts well. I belive he did have a large say in hiring Shurmur which makes me feel a little better than that. Finally though, Unlike Holmgren, I believe Heckert is looking to make a career here in Cleveland in making the Browns a winner. Holmgren to me more strikes me a guy who took this job because he just wasn't ready to retire yet, and he's not here for the long haul.

[Tobalaz]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

So once we hire an OC and know there will be a season. Then you'll guarantee me that we will statistically finish better than last year?

Or are you admiting that we really don't know if we are any better off, we don't know if Shurmur will learn faster than you think Dabol did? and that we ARE starting ALL OVER again and just have to pray this time someone got it right?

You can't just hire any OC and get better.
If you hire the right one you will.
Problem is, we don't even know who that's going to be.
We might get a better OC, we might get a dud, Shurmur might be ok.

If we get a competent OC that is smart enough to make simple gametime adjustments, then yes, we're going to be better and that's before we upgrade any spot on the offense.