Mayock says McCoy’s arm ‘above average’

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by nickers

I remember a guy by the name of Brian Sipe who wasnt exactly stromg armed and we did alright with him...Colt McCoy isnt Ken "fuckin" Dorsey for cryin out loud. I think we all need to chill and see what happens and let the coaches do theyre thing and let Colt do his before we all start fightin again lol

Bingo...................Actually Holmgren has said that McCoy has just as much arm as Brees and his original WCO guy, Montana. People used to say neither had enough arm for the NFL. McCoy certainly has way more arm the Garcia even had.

Sometimes it's more about accuracy and release then pure arm strength.

BTW, the last interview that Holmgren gave he said after watcing film of the last two games, he didn't believe there would be any problem for McCoy throwing in bad weather in Cleveland. He said his ball wasn't effected nay more then any of the other QBs.

[Brown Warrior]

Actually, Y, I think we're living in that time, where accuracy, intelligence, and anticipation are more important than pure arm strength. You have to have enough. And in a windy setting, you have to throw a tight ball with some zing.

I'm optimistic.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by YtownBacker

BTW, the last interview that Holmgren gave he said after watcing film of the last two games, he didn't believe there would be any problem for McCoy throwing in bad weather in Cleveland. He said his ball wasn't effected nay more then any of the other QBs.

Which of course we all saw. I mean why do you think rocket armed Flacco threw for less yards with more weapons that day?

[Riffer X]

A lot of throwing in windy and cold weather is overblown IMO, most NFL QB's should be able to do it. I think it's whether they are comfortable with the grip on the ball. I tailgated at that BMore game and it was cold as shit and windy. We played catch and I threw the ball fairly well, but some friends that can't throw that great were finished trying to throw in that stuff.

AS I said, it is more about feeling comfortable with your release and being able to grip the ball. I correlate to rainy and wet weather conditions. Some guys can't throw a wet ball and some can. I suck ass with a wet football, it totally changes the way I grip it and rip it.

Colt will be just fine as he adopts to the weather here.

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

A lot of throwing in windy and cold weather is overblown IMO, most NFL QB's should be able to do it. I think it's whether they are comfortable with the grip on the ball. I tailgated at that BMore game and it was cold as shit and windy. We played catch and I threw the ball fairly well, but some friends that can't throw that great were finished trying to throw in that stuff.

AS I said, it is more about feeling comfortable with your release and being able to grip the ball. I correlate to rainy and wet weather conditions. Some guys can't throw a wet ball and some can. I suck ass with a wet football, it totally changes the way I grip it and rip it.

Colt will be just fine as he adopts to the weather here.

Good stuff, Riff. I agree. The grip matters so much because a "tight ball" becomes vital in wind and weather.

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Good stuff, Riff. I agree. The grip matters so much because a "tight ball" becomes vital in wind and weather.

Put it like this, the ball feels like a frozen rock and your fingers and hand are going to be just as froze, so it's all about finding a comfort zone in your release so the ball comes out without slipping on you---it's hard to feel the ball. If you have to compensate too much, then it really affects the actual throw and the wind can take over.

It is also imperative to have the arm, elbow and shoulder totally loose, like starting pitcher loose. I think guys may be loose at first and then lose it, which is easy to do. It's also easy to accept it as just the way it is, but your arm should be as loose on a frigid day as it is in 85 degree temps after throwing a bunch.

[Brown Warrior]

Yeah, I've heard QBs talk about throwing in wind -- not necessarily 10 degrees, but bluster -- and they always say it's something you have to learn. I think a guy who can throw ropes with a tight spiral obviously has an advantage but everybody can develop his strategy.

Tough to get the ball "up" in wind, for sure. But it has little or not effect on short and intermediate stuff that has to get there in a fairly direct line. I think that's why the WCO type offenses do so well in weather.

[Riffer X]

Ironically, conventional wisdom has always kind of coincided with the WCO being finesse, which is bad for cold weather teams. To me, it is just the opposite. Defenses can really stuff the box when things get cold and if you can't stretch them with the conventional pro set, you are in trouble. WCO is the way to go, I am convinced, but it is all predicated on the QB. IMO, we have that guy so it is time to take the step forward.

I still say a backfield tandem of Hardesty and Hillis would be phenomenal in this offense, especially with a bell cow like Green. Something has to give somewhere, and watch a guy like Robo blossom because of it.

[Brown Warrior]

I'm also really optimistic about Robiskie if we get Green, and with the introduction of the WCO. It seems like the moons are aligning for him. Like McCoy, he makes sense. Heckert commented on that recently.

Every time I watch a bad weather game, one team (often Ben) throws for a lot of yards. Rodgers did it recently, too. WRs say they have a big advantage. It's never the scrum you expect and the team that tries to play it that way usually falls way behind.

But it's unlikely you're gonna be chucking it over the top. The WCO makes perfect sense. Quick stuff.

[Sez.EJ]

wind and snow are why you MUST be able to throw out some smashmouth ball when needed.

[nickers]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

wind and snow are why you MUST be able to throw out some smashmouth ball when needed.

Wich is why you keep hillis and hopefully vickers...