Multiple Choice at Pick 6

[Flugel]

Here's a list of hopefuls in random order that might be available when Roger Goodell walks up to the podium with Cleveland's pick. I'm gonna throw together extracts of their gridiron resumes with any applicable comments from NFL experts/scouts. Here you go:

1. Patrick Peterson (CB). He may not be a Shepford Wife in the football sense; but he puts out in a football girdle. A pic 6 = a pick 6. With a 4.32 forty on a 219 pound frame - you got physicality with press coverage at the line of scrimmage coupled with the wheels to stay on the hip of the WR. Not only that, but this guy could also be our best WR on occasion with a little imagination outside the box in some mult receiver spreads. He also averaged over 16 yards a punt return last year. If the first 5 teams have labotomies - the best pick of the draft is a Cleveland Brown.
2008 13 G 41 TKL 3 PBU 1 INT
2009 13 G 52 TKL 13 PBU 2 INT
2010 13 G 42 TKL 6 PBU 4 NT
Current measurables: 6'1" height at 219 pounds with both forties in the 4.3s for any defense looking to get faster and shorten an opponent's passing game to the other side of the field. If they have a promising 7th overall pick on the other side with TJ Ward somewhere in the middle, can't you see that first Ratbird game and the OT finish vrs the Jets playing out very differently?

2. AJ Green (WR). Some fans will argue how can anyone other this this guy represent the best pick in the draft for a team that doesn't have a playmaker on the perimeter. Here is a 3 year body of work at UGA:
2008 11 G 56 REC 963 YDS 17.2 YPC 8 TD
2009 8 G 53 REC 808 YDS 15.2 YPC 6 TD
2010 8 G 57 REC 848 YDS 14.9 YPC 9 TD
Current measurables: 6'4" height and ran approximately a 4.48 and 4.5 forty, which all goes well with a guy sporting great hands and ideal route running...

3. Julio Jones (WR). First order of business is he was the #1 rated WR coming out of high school before he earned SEC Freshman of the year of the gridiron. 2009 brought a change in starting QBs and it looked like Julio lost a focus in the process. That said, the next season and the combines brought back the question: "America, do you remember who was rated #1 just 3 short years ago and why?" Here's his SEC stats and Indy heroics:
2008 14 G 58 REC 924 YDS 15.9 YPC 4 TD
2009 13 G 43 REC 596 YDS 13.9 YPC 4 TD
2010 13 G 78 REC 1133 YDS 14.5 YPC 7 TD
Current measureables: 6'2"+ height and ran a 4.39 before bumping his head on the Indy ceiling during the vertical on a broken foot...

4. Gabe Carimi (OT). I just wanted to make sure you're still paying attention and we needed a body outside of the SEC. Folks, you can exhale because this one is highly unlikely at #6 overall. Here's the reason he's knocking on your buddy Flugel's dome. He's a guy that could play Right or Left Tackle while Cleveland would return to unwatchable if Joe Thomas ever got injured. We've gone with the same plan at RT for years restiung our hopes on a guy coming off injury or a vet that's already played his best football elsewhere. The wishful thinking on our part has been wonderful but let's get real about outcomes to date. This guy is a beast at 6'7" and 315 pounds. Just imagine if we had talent symmetry on both sides of the line when it's time to run the clock out with a lead.

5. Robert Quinn (DE). Some think he could be a grand theft at #6 while others worry the consequences if he's not. Here's what Pro Football Weekly says about him: "A raw, athletic, speed-relaint rusher who moves like a LBer. Is a flash player who teases with ability, but doesn't finish, crumbles against the run and piled up sacks against weak competition." There's some untapped goodies the RIGHT organization can power ciphen with this kid - but we need to keep in mind how often organizations earnign the right to draft as high as #6 isn't always that right organization.
2008 11 G 34 TKL 6.5 TFL 2 SACK
2009 13 G 52 TKL 19 TFL 11 SACK
Current measurables: 6'4" at 270 pounds running 4.7, which is really intriguing.

6. JJ Watt (DT/DE). Here's somebody that doesn't crumble against the run and many think he easily snags double digit sacks in the ACC. I was very happy to see Mike Mayock echoing my Richard Seymour comparison considering NE was using a 4-3 the day they drafted Seymour. Injuries upfront caused BB to break out the 3-4 and Seymour fits the category of "football player" so changing schemes was as easy as takign the next breath. Seymour is back in a 4-3 making a difference out west. Heckert says this guy has mad skills and probably moves down inside to a 3 technique in a NFL 4-3 with the understanding he's flexible enough to seal an edge. Watt was athletic enough to be a tight end at Central Michigan in 2007 before sitting out 2008 to transfer rules. It doesn't seem like anyone blocked more passes, which got his defense off the field or in the end zone. Pro Football Weekly says he's top 5 technique in the draft.
2009 13 G 44 TKL 15.5 TFL 4.5 SACK
2010 13 G 62 TKL 21.0 TFL 7.0 SACK
Current measureables: 6'6" at 290 pounds ran a 4.78 and tossed 225 pounds north of chest 34 times before jumping out of the gym.

7. Marcell Dareus (DT/DE). Was Bama's MVP of the BCS National Championship so thoe were most of his highlights in cyberspace. This guy is rising faster than Jack's beanstalk back in the day. He's the prototype with mad hot projections for the NFL game in a 4-3. While he supports the right body physically, he doesn't have a BIG body of work on scholarship.
2008 8 G 4 TKL 0.0 TFL 0.0 SACK
2009 14 G 33 TKL 9.0 TFL 6.5 SACK
2010 11 G 34 TKL 11 TFL 4.5 SACK
Current measureables: 6'3" height with a 4.9 forty yard dash on 315-320 pound man seems kind of scary for offenses to deal with.

8. Nick Fairley (DT). This former Alter-boy later became a JUCO transfer into Auburn to learn the dline skills from former All American and Washington Redskin Tracy Rocker. Just kidding about the alter boy thing. Early on in the football season - Alo set me straight about the first impression I had of him in Auburn's front 7; and rightfully so if anyone saw how the season played out. Rocker believed the stance exit height was an easy fix for a craft that is all about leverage and quickness. Anyway, the ideal candidate exhibits performance growth and some deal of on the field leadership by example. Check out his performances in the biggest of games vrs the best of opponents. Can you imagine how many sacks this guy gets in the ACC? The common bond Fairley has with Dareus besides the same state and conference they played college ball in is they BOTH took over the National Championship Games and had epic defining moments of difference made.
2009 13 G 28 TKL 3.5 TFL 1.5 SACK
2010 14 G 60 TKL 24 TFL 11.5 SACK
Current measurables: 6'5" height at 295 pounds with a 40 under 4.9 only to hear somebody say stockdown because Dareus was within a 10th of a second?

9. Von Miller (OLB/DE). I wish I saw this guy play a little more. He's actually sky-rocketing up the draft boards as we speak, if not already. He's even fast in slow motion. Looks to have mastered the art of sic em, sock em and sack em off the edge. VERY good on x-stunt blitzes even on a bad ankle. Should we consider that both D'Qwell Jackson and Scott Fujita were unable to complete the 2010 season? The football gods hovering over Lake Erie have never done the convenience thing on our behalf. Let's take a look at his stats over 4 years.
2007 9 G 22 TKL 4.0 TFL 2.0 SACK
2008 12 G 44 TKL 7.5 TFL 3.5 SACK
2009 13 G 48 TKL 21.5 TFL 17.0 SACK
2010 13 G 68 TKL 17.5 TFL 10.5 SACK
Current measurables: 6'3" at 240 pounds that runs in the vicinty of 4.6.

If you're still reading - thanks! Also, I'm interested in hearing what you would do if the boss said I want your top guy on offense and your top guy on defense with biggest arguement for each guy.

[Riffer X]

Von Miller has been ranked very high all along, just not on this board. Many people don't see him or Peterson making out of the top five. The top ten this year has no semblance of order and anybody that says differently is full of shit IMO. The QB teams are going to be huge in this.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

Von Miller has been ranked very high all along, just not on this board. Many people don't see him or Peterson making out of the top five.

I'm only just beginning to see Von Miller in the top 5 of alot of mock drafts. When the mock drafts were popping up a couple months ago, did anyone see him in the top 5 very often? I'm just being honest when I say I never heard about him until after the 2010 regular season, which doesn't mean much considering I'm not a draft guru. He was rarely, if ever, discussed here even though I recalled you bringing him up for discussion. It seems like he got alot of love after the combines much like Julio Jones. And that's too bad considering there's 17 sacks on the resume as a junior stating this was a VERY GOOD football player.

I'm starting to look at ACC sack volumes the same way I look at the challenge of a playground bully breaking a bookworm's glasses. So freakin what! While the ACC pass rushers get overhyped every single year, I never even knew Von Miller existed during a season of 17 sacks. Maybe he needed to self promote like the Boz or Deion Sanders once needed to do to draw attention to the stage he was excelling on.

[Brown Warrior]

Great stuff, Tom. My first priority when building up this team is to look for Holmgren's "home run hitter" on offense and a pass rusher on defense. I think those are the two most vital elements in today's pass-happy NFL. I'm pretty damn convinced of it. We already have our lockdown corner for #1 WRs, our QB, and our LT, three of the so-called "elite positions."

We lack a pass rusher and #1 WR, the others. To me, it's academic. Outside of those two things, I realize that the Warren Sapp 3-tech next to Rubin is important (props to Y for clarifying). I'm a'scared of Fairley, I admit. He's at 6'3" 291 and he only had that one year. He has spindly legs. He feels like a bust to me.

I'd say Green, Jones, Quinn, Bowers, and Dareus are the guys who wouldn't make me throw the remote through the TV. I realize that Jones probably makes the most sense in a slight trade down if one of the QBs is there... but I'm thinking neither will be. Carolina all but came out and said it's between the two QBs and then Buffalo and the Bengals step up before we do.

I think it has to be Green if he's there. If not, Quinn is the most likely to be there. I think Dareus and Bowers are likely gone, along with Peterson and the QBs.

[Solon16]

maybe a typo? I thought Julio was 2 " taller than green. He is faster, so if we HAVE to take a wr #6(hope we dont) I'm leaning toward Julio...Saban better coach.

[BrownieBornAndRaised]

Originally Posted by Solon16

maybe a typo? I thought Julio was 2 " taller than green. He is faster, so if we HAVE to take a wr #6(hope we dont) I'm leaning toward Julio...Saban better coach.

Mark Richt is a really good coach in his own right. One of the major causes of him being on the hot seat have been the recent down years since giving play calling duties to Mike Bobo the offensive coordinator.

Georgia's offense was totally different in the games that Green played and didn't. He can make the easy catches, the hard ones, and everything in between.

I wouldn't mind Julio Jones, but not at six overall. To me there are still holes in his game.
Two things about Julio I don't like A) Alabama's offense was fueled by the run with Ingram and Richardson, and it also was helped out a lot by a fantastic defense not requiring the passing game to win games for them. And B) His drops. I know a guy can work on his hands, but I just would hate to see us draft another Braylon Edwards.

[Brown Warrior]

I feel like Julio was not a guy in 2010 you would say had "dropsies." He wasn't perfect, but he was a lot better. I have a feeling he's on the right arc.

Six might be high, still. If either QB is there, deals will be there... but there are teams at 8 and 10 who just might snap him up.

[Solon16]

Originally Posted by BrownieBorAndRaised

Mark Richt is a really good coach in his own right. One of the major causes of him being on the hot seat have been the recent down years since giving play calling duties to Mike Bobo the offensive coordinator.

Georgia's offense was totally different in the games that Green played and didn't. He can make the easy catches, the hard ones, and everything in between.

I wouldn't mind Julio Jones, but not at six overall. To me there are still holes in his game.
Two things about Julio I don't like A) Alabama's offense was fueled by the run with Ingram and Richardson, and it also was helped out a lot by a fantastic defense not requiring the passing game to win games for them. And B) His drops. I know a guy can work on his hands, but I just would hate to see us draft another Braylon Edwards.

I agree with you but...The dude is a MAN when it comes to downfield blocking, is faster than green and I believe 2" taller not smaller, And green was the only offensive player on that team worth a damn...so to say they didn't do anything on O when he wasn't in there isn't really saying anything. I prefer Defense anyway... I made the point before...about NE having a 3rd rounder as there highest Wr... I think the same can be said of Rivers in SD and Manning in Indy...No 1st rounders at wr...I think that's correct...Maybe wayne was a #30 or so....but Vincent Jackson was a second rounder...the rest in SD are no names, Garcon,collie in Indy are 4th round plus guys...I hate the Idea of #6 overall wr...hate it.

[BernietheKid]

Good list Fluges! Let me throw another name at you that no one is talking about, Ryan Kerrigan.

Ryan weighed was listed at the combine with these numbers:

Ryan Kerrigan

Purdue

6-4

267

4.67

31

33.5

33 3/8

Tied for the all-time Football Bowl Subdivision record with 14 fumbles forced (Big Ten record) … tied for second all-time at Purdue with 33.5 sacks … fifth in Purdue history in tackles for loss with 57.0.

Season Year	GP	GS	Solo	Asst	TT	TFL	Sacks	FF	FR	INTs	PD	QBH
'07-'08	12	0	12	6	18	1	1	0	0	0	0	---
'08-'09	12	11	31	25	56	11.5	7	2	0	1	5	---
'09-'10	12	12	41	25	66	18.5	13	7	1	0	2	---
'10-'11	12	12	50	20	70	26	12.5	5	2	0	1	---

Overview

Played in all 48 games (starting 35) during his four years at Purdue. During that time, he tied an FBS record by forcing 14 fumbles. He also had 33.5 sacks and 57 TFLs over his career. In 2010, he was a team co-captain and was a unanimous All-American selection, along with earning Academic All-Big Ten honors. He led FBS in TFL with 26 during the regular season, and was third with 12.5 sacks. Was a prolific tackler from his DE position with 70 on the season. As a prep player, he was a star at defensive end and tight end, and also lettered in baseball and basketball. His father played football for Ball State.



Ryan Kerrigan Scouting Report
By Greg Cox

Strengths: Plenty of energy
Team leader
Extremely productive playmaker
Strong upper body
Capable run defender
Reliable tackler
Could be scheme versatile
Intelligent with solid work ethic

Weaknesses: Limited athleticism
Does not have elite speed
Inexperienced dropping into coverage
Past ankle and foot injuries

Summary: Ryan Kerrigan is hard not to like with so much production and experience coming out of a major FBS program. His numbers kept getting better, capped off by a senior campaign with 26 TFL and 12.5 sacks for the Boilermakers. Opinions vary on which scheme suits him best, and it will depend on the system. He displays the drive required to adjust wherever he goes. On the downside, his effort might not be enough at the next level.

Player Comparison: Aaron Kampman. This is a common comparison because it makes sense. Kerrigan has more hype coming out of the Big Ten than Kampman (Iowa) did when he was taken in the fifth round, but both are effort players with a similar build. They also both bring all-around value at the defensive end position.

WalterFootball.com: 2011 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Ryan Kerrigan

That is alot of production in college for one player, so you know he can get after the quaterback. It may be a reach at #6, but it also might not be with the production that he had in college.

[Solon16]

reasons why i hate #6 overall on wr and why I do not think we will draft one. History...
1).Heckert comes from Phily steeped in history in drafting lineman giving McNabb nothing for years. Westbrook a 3rd rounder reggie Brown was closest thing to a weapon for Mcnabb (2nd round)...
2). Free agent class is best we've seen at Wr IN YEARS.
3).Switching to a 4-3 Defense with 1 known starter on the D-line. To make a 4-3 work you need a dominant DT and DE, we have neither and this class @#6 will have one available to us.
4).Rookie Wr's are not impactful 95% of the time.
5). Looking at the offense in St.Louis...they certainly had no wr's worth note or anywhere near top 2 round guys. and performed well last year.
6) Shurmer has already stated O-line and dline are most important units on the field.
7). We most likely not ever find a talent like Fairley,Dareus or Quinn in later rounds.
8). We have nobody worth a damn to get after opponents QB.

BUT....After watching us go to a 3-4 and not draft LB's.....anything is possible.

[Brown Warrior]

Harrison and Wayne were both first round picks when Manning really needed foundational receivers for his development. Now guys can come in and benefit from him. That said, I think Gonzales was a first rounder, too. so that's three. And Dallas Clark, who's basically a slot receiver. Quite a few.

Of the role model teams, the Steelers have obviously drafted some receivers pretty high up (Ward, Burruss, Holmes) and struck gold with Wallace in round 3. The Packers had the luxury of already having a go-to guy in Driver, scored with Jennings (a guy some slated for round one but fell to two), then had good luck with Nelson and Jones, 2nd and 3rd, I believe. They had drafted a few first rounders for Favre, actually.

Patriots are their own story. They made it work with lesser known WRs and actually won championships that way... but have signed some pretty big free agents in Moss and Welker. Brandon Tate was a 2nd, I think, and Taylor Price a third. I think they could go WR in round one this year.

The bottom line is that the Browns don't need bodies or complementary WRs. They need a go-to guy to open up the field and for McCoy's development. Holmgren calls it a "home run hitter." I don't expect the Browns will take a pass or try to find that guy in round 3.

[Solon16]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Harrison and Wayne were both first round picks when Manning really needed foundational receivers for his development. Now guys can come in and benefit from him. That said, I think Gonzales was a first rounder, too. so that's three. And Dallas Clark, who's basically a slot receiver. Quite a few.

Of the role model teams, the Steelers have obviously drafted some receivers pretty high up (Ward, Burruss, Holmes) and struck gold with Wallace in round 3. The Packers had the luxury of already having a go-to guy in Driver, scored with Jennings (a guy some slated for round one but fell to two), then had good luck with Nelson and Jones, 2nd and 3rd, I believe. They had drafted a few first rounders for Favre, actually.

Patriots are their own story. They made it work with lesser known WRs and actually won championships that way... but have signed some pretty big free agents in Moss and Welker. Brandon Tate was a 2nd, I think, and Taylor Price a third. I think they could go WR in round one this year.

The bottom line is that the Browns don't need bodies or complementary WRs. They need a go-to guy to open up the field and for McCoy's development. Holmgren calls it a "home run hitter." I don't expect the Browns will take a pass or try to find that guy in round 3.

Tate was a 3rd...Ward for pitt was a 4th, Driver was a seventh...harrison out of football, and buress hasn't been with pitt in YEARS...Relevant? don't think so. But thanks for addressing my 8 points of light. freak

P.S. Welker undrafted, danny woodhead undrafted. P.P.s Telling me that modeling GB with two 2nd round wr"s and a 3rd and Driver a seventh seems like exactly what I'd like to do!