mock near impossible w/o Free agency

[Brown Warrior]

Get this, S (of Arizona):

27th in total defense
30th in scoring defense
31st in sacks allowed
32nd in rushing yards

They are just SO bad.

[Sez.EJ]

If the CBA deal is not done prior to the draft..any arranged trades MUST get tossed out..because teams HAVE to use their draft picks. The only legal trades for the draft are picks for picks.. So any free agents, restricted free agent deals.. will be meaningless unless the CBA is resolved prior to the draft.. So if there is no CBA..the mocks we have been doing so far.. will be very valid...It will be difficult to write any free agent deals without knowing the terms of the CBA regarding salary caps, distrubution of moneys etc. Not impossible..but difficult

[Solon16]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

They literally ranked 27 and down in every defensive category. They have no pass rush and can't stop the run. They're just horrible.

Maybe you dont remember them in super bowl 2 years ago...they gave a billion points to GB in NFC championship...Its about the Qb...you can't talk out of both sides of yer mouth dude...i didn't pick you for a waffler...With Warner they go to superbowl without they are picking fifth. Don't even go there...you just play excatly into the hands of all the guys like me that want Defense with #6

[Brown Warrior]

Huh? What do you mean, waffler? I'm pointing out hard, cold facts about how bad Arizona is on defense. Defense DOES matter and I've never, ever thought otherwise.

The Cardinals got to the Super Bowl and damn near won it because they do one thing well: Pass the football. They were 32nd in rushing and horrific on defense. Pretty much the same was true of the Colts the next year. The last two seasons, Brees and Rodgers won Super Bowls, but I'll point out that both of their defenses got after opposing passers. The Saints cranked up the pressure in the playoffs... but in 2010, they didn't get as much heat on the QB and they just weren't as good.

Is it preferable to do only one thing well? No. And it's really tough for the Cardinals to ask McNabb to be Warner when they're very, VERY different QBs. The knock on McNabb has always been accuracy and interceptions, where he's a level below the all-timers, including Warner. And McNabb looked like shit last year... kind of like Delhomme the year before.

I doubt anybody watched McNabb last year and thought, "That guy's gonna take us to a Super Bowl next year, even as we're among the league's worst on defense, running the ball, and protecting the passer."

Doesn't make sense.

[Solon16]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Huh? What do you mean, waffler? I'm pointing out hard, cold facts about how bad Arizona is on defense. Defense DOES matter and I've never, ever thought otherwise.

The Cardinals got to the Super Bowl and damn near won it because they do one thing well: Pass the football. They were 32nd in rushing and horrific on defense. Pretty much the same was true of the Colts the next year. The last two seasons, Brees and Rodgers won Super Bowls, but I'll point out that both of their defenses got after opposing passers. The Saints cranked up the pressure in the playoffs... but in 2010, they didn't get as much heat on the QB and they just weren't as good.

Is it preferable to do only one thing well? No. And it's really tough for the Cardinals to ask McNabb to be Warner when they're very, VERY different QBs. The knock on McNabb has always been accuracy and interceptions, where he's a level below the all-timers, including Warner. And McNabb looked like shit last year... kind of like Delhomme the year before.

I doubt anybody watched McNabb last year and thought, "That guy's gonna take us to a Super Bowl next year, even as we're among the league's worst on defense, running the ball, and protecting the passer."

Doesn't make sense.

LOOK...If Slappy Mcnabb can win a SB in his lifetime it's with either SF,AZ or Minny.

You waffle when you say Its all about the QB and you prove it by saying this "because they do one thing well: Pass the football. They were 32nd in rushing and horrific on defense"

Then you say they can't go to the superbowl because they have a bad defense.....according to you(THEY HAD A HORRIFIC DEFENSE AND WENT to the superbowl anyway) Silly logic


Capesche? understand or...? Mcnabb may not be good enough isn't the debate. AZ was in the SB, lost there Qb who years before was considered SCAT and a second stringer, they lose Qb and now Pick fifth...Defense or not...the reason they are picking 5th is QB

[Brown Warrior]

Okay, now I get where I'm losing you...

It's a passing league. To the point that two teams who could only do one thing well -- pass the ball -- have made it all the way to the Super Bowl. Both lost, though.

Furthermore, the teams that pass best win the most in this league. Brees and Rodgers are the last two winners and... c'mon. That's what their teams were about.

BUT... the Steelers, Packers, and that Saints team also had other things going for them. Most importantly, they could play defense and rush the passer.

Quarterback is the most important part of passing the ball well... and passing the ball well is the single most important element of winning in today's NFL. But it sure as hell isn't the ONLY one. There are lots of teams now with high powered offenses, but the ones with the best chance to win it all can also play defense.

Hey, the Houston Texans can seriously pass the football, right? They can run it, too, which doesn't seem to matter all that much anymore. But they're nowhere close to getting to a Super Bowl.

If McNabb puts up an 86 passer rating for AZ, it'll beat his career averages and the Cardinals will win 6 games. To carry a team with a passing game, you gotta put up a year like Warner or Manning, complete 67% and avoid turnovers. That's not McNabb.

He stands a way better chance of going to the Vikings, who have holes but are closer. They might think McNabb can regain enough of his form to put them back in the mix. But if Favre couldn't get them there with the best season of his career... how's McNabb gonna do it?

Originally Posted by Solon16

LOOK...If Slappy Mcnabb can win a SB in his lifetime it's with either SF,AZ or Minny.

You waffle when you say Its all about the QB and you prove it by saying this "because they do one thing well: Pass the football. They were 32nd in rushing and horrific on defense"

Then you say they can't go to the superbowl because they have a bad defense.....


Capesche? understand or...? Mcnabb may not be good enough isn't the debate. AZ was in the SB, lost there Qb who years before was considered SCAT and a second stringer, they lose Qb and now Pick fifth...Defense or not...the reason they are picking 5th is QB

[Solon16]

NO...This is where I am losing you...

On one hand you say its a passing league and we need to draft a #1 receiver... (I agree, but I think we have desperate holes on Defense...and want to draft a #1 wr receiver next year) I agree will bill walsh in that wr is one of the last pieces of the puzzle! Arizona has a #1 receiver and one of the very best...yet they are drafting 5th because there defense sucks.... hmmm~ when our defense sucks...you want a #1 receiver.... Its proven without a stud Qb...you don't win...see Andre johnson, Calvin Johnson and Fitzgerald. that is a waffle!

You say say AZ needs help at corner...They drafted Rogers- Cromartie in top twenty, you say they need to draft a corner...just not high? hmmm I guess that is what you mean? god forbid they draft 2 corners in the first round.... I agree they need pass rush....Von miller is one of the best in the draft and will be available to them IMO....check mark.

So if they get a very good FA Qb...Mcnabb qualifies... they can contend again...They certainly are NOT 5 drafts away... at all...!!!

If you look up the browns defensive stats...conclude like you have with AZ...that we can't win anything without Defense...you kind of piss in the face of your argument that the Browns need to draft Green. that seems waffle ish to me...

[Brown Warrior]

Okay, I guess I don't know where I'm losing you. Maybe read slower?

1. Pass offense is the most important element to winning in today's NFL. Teams that could literally do nothing BUT pass the ball have made it all the way to the championship and damn near won. You really can't say that about running the ball or defense.

2. The Browns have been the worst passing team in the NFL over the past three years. They have the worst set of WRs in the NFL. The thing that matters most? It's the thing the Browns do worst. Until they do it WAY better, nothing else is really gonna matter all that much. If I had to pick one thing to improve on the Browns... it's pretty easy: They have to pass the ball much better. That has to be #1.

3. The Browns defense is not worse than their offense. We ranked near the middle of the NFL in yards per carry (Rubin) and QBR (Haden) against our defense. We were a middling defense, not a bad one. We've been a dreadful offense for a long time.

Amazingly, we were fair-to-middling without a pass rush. So, uh, what do I think we should prioritize on defense? Gee, I think I'll go with... pass rush?

4. The Cardinals need a quarterback. Desperately. They're horrible there. If one of the top quarterbacks fall to them, they'll take him in a New York minute or less. But they're WAY worse than us on defense... and they gave up 50 sacks, 2nd worst in the league. The Browns did pretty well (yet again) in protecting the passer.

5. Donovan McNabb isn't really good at this point. He's unlikely to carry a team that can't pass protect, run the football, or play defense. He's just not that accurate. He isn't Brady, Warner, or Manning in their best years, when they could literally carry a team to the top or thereabouts with no help.

6. What would I suggest the Cardinals do, realizing a quick fix isn't going to mean any more to them than it did to the Redskins? I'd list Kolb, Gabbert, and Ponder in about that order. Kolb is the quickest fix, but I think the other two could start very early on.

[Sez.EJ]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Get this, S (of Arizona):

27th in total defense
30th in scoring defense
31st in sacks allowed
32nd in rushing yards

They are just SO bad.

When DA is your QB and you cannot get first downs.. your D is on the field all day long.. Your going to look bad statistically.. it's a whole new game with a new QB. Stats are very misleading because defensive stats cannot possibly take into account DA at QB.

[Solon16]

Hmmm Da or Skelton and Hall played Atrociously......Da and Skelton aren't what I call elusive...Da can run a little in Wide open spaces but isn't very athletic....Skelton a rookie behemoth isn't very mobile and Da holds the ball too long. Doesn't bring down the sack total.

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by Solon16

Hmmm Da or Skelton and Hall played Atrociously......Da and Skelton aren't what I call elusive...Da can run a little in Wide open spaces but isn't very athletic....Skelton a rookie behemoth isn't very mobile and Da holds the ball too long. Doesn't bring down the sack total.

Fair enough. Suck ass QBs don't know where they're going with the ball either.