Quinn & Bowers get their Pro Day on

[Brown Warrior]

Y, I mean this honestly and with no malice: It only makes no sense because you don't want it to make sense.

Very few good teams have two premium, highly-drafted corners. In fact, the majority of the best teams don't even have ONE. You think a 6 or a 7 overall is a reasonable price to pay for your second best corner. I don't see how you could possibly believe that makes any sense at all.

Yes, somebody is your second corner covering the other team's second best WR. That's all he'll be doing. And between Haden and Peterson, neither would be happy about it and we'd only have him for three or four years, depending on the new rules. We certainly can't give blockbuster second deals to both guys, as the Bengals are finding out.

So one or the other is a short-term rental and just a dreadful, horrible idea. An F- of a draft pick that went against all prevailing wisdom.

Tampa Bay ranked 8th in pass defense, definitely good enough to go to and win in the playoffs. Their second corner? An undrafted rookie... who plays opposite 35-year-old Rondae Barber.

Chicago has two second rounders they've kept in the fold for a very long time. We've discussed Green Bay and Pittsburgh. If you look around at the second best corner on good teams, you'll establish a sense of what the value of that position is... and it isn't a #6 or #7 pick overall. And these teams are succeeding. Winning. Even taking home very large trophies.

But you think we need to create a new paradigm where we pay way, WAY more for our corners. Why?

Can you see how I would think YOU aren't making sense?

Originally Posted by YtownBacker

Actually most astute college talent evaluators say Peterson very much reminds them of Woodson and see him playing corner and moving to safety and being a pro bowler at both. And, as injury prone as Cribbs has been there isn't a better punt returner coming out of college.

Here's what doesn't really make sense as you continue to try to find a way to devalue CBs. You say taking Peterson would be a devalued pick because either him or Haden would be covering a #2. But what about teams with two or 3 great receivers or should a team pass on a great receiver if they already have one. Actually that's the mirror of the point you are trying to make with corners.

I'm with Holmgren here. You can never have enough good corners. Especially as the game has changed to a passing game. Are you willing to gamble that Haden and Brown both can stay healthy for 16 games. The team has a big need at CB and FS and if the BPA on Heckert's board is Peterson then he isn't an idiot if he takes him. Way better pick then a "boom or bust" DE or DT from this draft.

I'm in the WR camp, and have been for awhile, but you can never say taking an impact player on either side of the ball is a dumb move. Impact players at critical positions is how you build a consistent winner.

[DaBrowns41]

Worst case scenario.

We draft Patrick Peterson at 6, and he moves to FS, and Ward moves to SS.

We find a legit #2 eventually and still form an elite secondary.

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by DaBrowns41

Worst case scenario.

We draft Patrick Peterson at 6, and he moves to FS, and Ward moves to SS.

We find a legit #2 eventually and still form an elite secondary.

I don't totally disagree. If you're not gonna win anything, at least you can say you have a very expensive, very talented defensive backfield of high first and second round picks. Doesn't mean all that much as far as wins and losses... but it's something.

ARE there any teams with a top 10 corner, a top 10 safety, and another safety from early in round 2? I know none of the top teams go that route, but does ANYBODY?

[Solon16]

Originally Posted by DaBrowns41

Worst case scenario.

We draft Patrick Peterson at 6, and he moves to FS, and Ward moves to SS.

We find a legit #2 eventually and still form an elite secondary.

WORST case??? A safety tandum of ward and petersen would be FAR from worst case...the more I think of it (as stated early) Petersen IS a long term Safety...I just let him play corner and safety......Worst case would be... He is stupid as a rock and never becomes Great!

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by Solon16

WORST case??? A safety tandum of ward and petersen would be FAR from worst case...the more I think of it (as stated early) Petersen IS a long term Safety...I just let him play corner and safety......Worst case would be... He is stupid as a rock and never becomes Great!

Lol, touche.

By worst case, I mean, his versatility helps us and the Browns fans that want to reach for a position of need, rather than taking the most talented player at a position we still need can be satisfied.

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

I don't totally disagree. If you're not gonna win anything, at least you can say you have a very expensive, very talented defensive backfield of high first and second round picks. Doesn't mean all that much as far as wins and losses... but it's something.

ARE there any teams with a top 10 corner, a top 10 safety, and another safety from early in round 2? I know none of the top teams go that route, but does ANYBODY?

The Pats have a first round safety, first round corner, and second round safety.

Not the same, but it's a similar idea.

Patrick Peterson is potentially the most talented player in this draft. If A.J. Green is gone, then he has to be the pick rather than reaching for Robert Quinn.

The draft is filled with pass rushers. We can get one in round two or three.

[Aaron Aloysius]

Ha! The music is kinda awful.

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

I get the feeling Quinn is going to drop.

Thanks for the videos Alo, what stood out to you about both of them ...anything?

The biggest thing to me is that Quinn didn't look all that great in linebacker drills. Maybe he isn't a great fit for 3-4 OLB, which doesn't affect the Browns.

The other possibility is that he didn't prepare for the drills, which would seem odd and not a positive when it was so obvious that scouts would want to see him run through 'em. That bothers me a bit.

[slowmo411]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Chicago has two second rounders they've kept in the fold for a very long time. We've discussed Green Bay and Pittsburgh. If you look around at the second best corner on good teams, you'll establish a sense of what the value of that position is... and it isn't a #6 or #7 pick overall. And these teams are succeeding. Winning. Even taking home very large trophies.

So tell me Shep, what position do Green Bay and Pitt spend thier #6 and #7 over all picks on? You keep bringing up these teams but they never draft that high and when they go into the draft they draft BPA all the way through. Great teams dont reach to fill positions they draft talent. If Pitt had the #6 pick and PP was sitting there Id bet damn near anything they take him.
With Heckert here drafting for us Im praying our days of reaching to fill needs are over. Its time to start loading up on talent.

[Brown Warrior]

There is a benefit to drafting late, as far as no position feeling like a reach. But it's impossible for us to wonder what either of those two teams would draft at 6 or 7 because the way they've built their teams is too strong. The Packers are build around passing the ball and rushing the passer... the Steelers are built around a multidimensional offense and an attacking defense that sacks the quarterback.

If either had a pick that high, like in a trade or something? Knowing them, they'd want to trade down (!) and it's a hideously unfair notion, like the Lakers having the first pick in the draft (Kyrie, come on down!).

But I guess my answer, honestly, is I have no idea. Since neither has a lockdown corner like Joe Haden, it makes more sense for them than it does for the Browns, if that's what you're looking for.

A team with a Pro Bowl punt returner... and a lockdown corner... but no #1 WR... and no elite pass rusher... drafts Patrick Peterson!

I just have no idea how that adds up for anybody.