Interesting stats on Quinn (Peter King)

[Vegasdogg]

Below is part of a MMQB article today from Peter King. So it begs the question:

Why are so many here jumping on the bandwagon of a young kid, with very limited tape, who padded stats against weaker talent but could not do much against better players????

11 of his 13 sacks came against inferior teams in lower divisions.

Stat of the Week

Robert Quinn, the highly regarded defensive end from North Carolina, is proving to be a tough study for many teams. He hasn't played football in 16 months, having been suspended for taking improper benefits at North Carolina and being banned for the entire 2010 season. He had a benign brain tumor in high school. Those two elements would make it tough enough. Add this one: He fattened up his sack totals -- 11 in 13 games -- against some weak sisters.
Quinn's game-by-game sack results:

Sacks Foe 3 (twice) Duke (5-7), Virginia (3-9). 2 East Carolina (9-5, Conference USA). 1 Citadel (4-7 Div. I-AA), Georgia Southern (5-6 Div. I-AA), Boston College (8-5). 0 Connecticut (8-5), Georgia Tech (11-3), Florida State (7-6), Virginia Tech (10-3), Miami (Fla.) (9-4), North Carolina State (5-7), Pittsburgh (10-3).

Of his 11 sacks, six came in two games against ACC doormats, two more against NCAA Football Championship Subdivision teams with losing records, and three against Bowl Subdivision winning teams.
If you pick Quinn -- and Cleveland, at number six, may do so -- he'll be a perfect metaphor for the 2011 draft: High picks in the first round almost all come with a risk.

Read more: Carolina Panthers request junior college tape on Cam Newton - Peter King - SI.com

[DaBrowns41]

Too many people are giving him the Manny Lawson/Kam Wimbley treatment.

He looks like a monster and is crazy athletic. So he must be great and worth a Top 10-15 pick.

False. I think he's talented, but anybody thinking he's just going to come in and dominate is in for a big surprise. If we waste our 6th overall pick on Quinn, I'll be terribly frustrated.

Give me Jabaal Sheard as a pure pass rusher over Quinn, personally. Unfortunately, Quinn will be gone by no later than Jacksonville, as they groom their next big DE bust.

[YtownBacker]

You are right, save him for JAX they are used to dealing with first round DE busts.

[Riffer X]

Couldn't agree more and Flugs and I have been stressing this for awhile now. Flugs has said a hundred times how Quinn's sacks came against Little Sisters of Deion. Meanwhile, a stud like Watt is called a guy without any pass rush moves cuz he only had 7 legit sacks----against real competition. Never mind all the other havoc he wreaked behind the LOS.

Quinn may or may not be a stud, but the Browns can ill afford to find out. It's similar to drafting Dezzie last year, you just can't take the risk.

On top of that, Quinn's film sucks. I don't care how athletic he is (even though Watt bested him in 5 of 6 things at the combine and weighs 25 pounds more), the kid has no contain or point of attack strength and always plays ole on the outside. He takes horrible angles and arm tackles/grabs. I don't get it, he is a guy who should go in the second round and maybe you find a gem, but taking him in the top of the draft is absurd----especially for a team like the Browns so in need of guaranteed talent.

[Brown Warrior]

Sold. I'll take Green or Jones and then Sheard. My favorite draft for about three months now!!

Then get the 3-tech, then the WSLB, then CB and RT. Bam. Done.

(Jernigan's coming in, so with my luck it's Peterson, Sheard, Jernigan.)

[Sez.EJ]

It's too important to get it right. Which is why most of us are looking at Green and Jones, Peterson, Miller, Darius or Watt. .. they other guys seem too risky. We were in a similar spot last year. We took Haden which was looked on as a safe pick.. safe but looking great... sounds good to me again.

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

It's too important to get it right. Which is why most of us are looking at Green and Jones, Peterson, Miller, Darius or Watt. .. they other guys seem too risky. We were in a similar spot last year. We took Haden which was looked on as a safe pick.. safe but looking great... sounds good to me again.

Haden's a very good corner but we went from 5-11 to 5-11, 0-4 after he became a starter. We improved the running game, too... but in the end, we weren't better.

I want an offseason that adds wins. And I won't repeat what that means (!).

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Haden's a very good corner but we went from 5-11 to 5-11, 0-4 after he became a starter. We improved the running game, too... but in the end, we weren't better.

I want an offseason that adds wins. And I won't repeat what that means (!).

Spinning and twisting the facts...................So, your point is if Wright would have stayed as the starter the record would have been different.

Maybe it wasn't about Haden at all who played great. Maybe it was more about every QB we had went down and most of DL and Fujita went down.

It isn't about Haden because we definately played better with him in the defensive backfield but Brown showed his age by the end of the year and Wright completely shit the bed. So, we are still without a nickle cover man while we have Brown a year older. Thus, the need for drafting another corner by round 4 or when one is on the board as the BPA.

I don't think you even believe what you write sometimes.

AS Holmgren says....................you can never have enough good corners.

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Sold. I'll take Green or Jones and then Sheard. My favorite draft for about three months now!!

Then get the 3-tech, then the WSLB, then CB and RT. Bam. Done.

(Jernigan's coming in, so with my luck it's Peterson, Sheard, Jernigan.)

Actually both are great drafts. But you better hope that Jernigan is the BPA on Heckert's board or he could go CB, DL, DL or even OT. Now you can go throw up.

The further you get from the first round the more the draft is about BPA over needs.

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by YtownBacker

Actually both are great drafts. But you better hope that Jernigan is the BPA on Heckert's board or he could go CB, DL, DL or even OT. Now you can go throw up.

The further you get from the first round the more the draft is about BPA over needs.

I'll get the throwing up over with. The rest of you can do it all season while we rank 32nd in passing. Being worst at what matters most... your Cleveland Browns!!

The point about Haden: There have been SO many articles written lately (hell, it comes up almost daily, with Clayton today) is that Jake Long or Alex Mack or Joe Haden don't move the dials. Matt Ryan or Sam Bradford move the dials.

The Browns can draft corners and centers in round one as long as they like. And we will never snap or cover our way to a championship. I know it's an irritating reality... but it's reality.

We lack great players where it matters most.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Haden's a very good corner but we went from 5-11 to 5-11, 0-4 after he became a starter. We improved the running game, too... but in the end, we weren't better.

I want an offseason that adds wins. And I won't repeat what that means (!).

You have this habit of wrongly attributing wins and losses to certain players picked or not picked. Yeah, we were 5-11 because we passed on Clausen and Bryant.

[Brown Warrior]

That's not my point. I'm not attributing our losses to Haden. I'm saying the people we chose to add and draft didn't make us win more games.

It's a hot conversation right now. If you aren't damn sure you have a great quarterback... and there's one you like... you take him even if a player of an ordinary position is ranked higher. An epic cornerback or right guard does NOT move the dial like a really good quarterback.

And that's all part and parcel of blowing up the fallacy of BPA regardless of position or need. As if it needed blowing up.

Which is probably part of us all just killing time since there isn't much to talk about.