OBR Mocks

[YtownBacker]

I was just looking at the latest mocks from the guys over at OBR. Four mocks and they have the Browns taking 4 different players.

Sobleski - Peterson

Delco - Quinn

Greetham - Green

Kolonich - Dareus

Two have Green going to Cincy and two have Gabbert going to Cincy. Green only drops to us in one mock. Every one has us passing on Jones. They all have two QBs going before we pick. With Kolonich's I have to say WTF was he smoking when he made that out.

I think this shows just whee we are in the process..................no one has a clue.

Just my opinion but I have a hard time seeing both QBs going in the top 5.

[Brown Warrior]

I hate OBR mocks. I think Sobo's sharp... but I really don't agree with him all that much. I have some strong opinions about things like QBs and corners, if you haven't heard (!).

Jones is the pick of most of the top mockers now... but I don't think that would be the case if Green hadn't already been taken. But Shefter and King are picking up the vibe that the Browns are leaning WR. They have to talk up Peterson and the QBs for trade possibilities... but they'd be about equally nuts.

[YtownBacker]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[heckofajobbrownie]

I think the Browns' options are pretty clear for the #6:

1st option: AJ Green
2nd option: Patrick Peterson
3rd option: Robert Quinn

I'm expecting Dareus to be gone. I wouldn't take Fairley. I also expect Green to be gone to Cincy at #4.

I'd be happy with Peterson or Quinn, but Peterson is probably the safer pick. Not because I don't think Quinn is a stud. I do. But there's a long history of guys who starred as juniors, and didn't show all that well as seniors. We didn't get to see Quinn's senior year.

I'd go with the safer pick in Peterson.

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Trust me: Deep down, I think the Browns will take a center, corner, or wedge buster at #6. And he'll be among the best at his position. And we'll go 5-11.

Then again a WR might help as much as Dez helped Dallas's bottom line. Or how much Crabtree helped San Fran's bottom line or how much going out and getting Marshall helped Miami in wins and losses.

If they are going to go 5-11 they can do it just as well with a WR then they can with a CB. Sorry pal, I don't buy into that. This is a team game and you have to have playmakers on both sides of the ball. One player at one position won't be the cause of a team going 5-11. The loss of a player by injury or just not having top talent at the position is the reason you must have depth. The NFL is a game of injuries and if a WR or CB goes down you have to plug the next guy in and keep going.

So, I don't buy into your theory that if we don't take a WR we will be 5-11. If we take one then I guess you have us going to the playoffs. Hell, then give me two so I have a spare in case the first one doesn't work out.

Green, Jones or bust.......................fuck the rest of the draft. #1 WRs are only found in the first ten picks and CBs can be found anywhere. It's a passing league but screw defending the pass. We have Wright and Adams to fall back on. We lost 3 or 4 games because we couldn't defend the pass at the end of the game last year.......................but, fuck it. Holmgren and Heckert both say you can't have enough good corners but what do they know. They say CB is a big need but what the hell do they know. I don't think I ever heard them say WR was our biggest need.

You're trying to sell your BS to the wrong guy dude.

[YtownBacker]

BTW one more thread you turned into a CB hate fest. Can't you leave just one thread alone.

[Brown Warrior]

Good stuff, Y. And in the Easter spirit, in appreciation of our great debate and ability to never go dicky with it, I cut out my snarky anti-CB posts. Have a good one... and thanks for making it fun.

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Good stuff, Y. And in the Easter spirit, in appreciation of our great debate and ability to never go dicky with it, I cut out my snarky anti-CB posts. Have a good one... and thanks for making it fun.

.............................Easter should be every day.

[Sez.EJ]

I have no idea who's going to fall to us. It Depends on the QB's, and if anyone above us loves Peterson. In My perfect draft. 2 QB'S and Peterson go in the top 5.. I know..it's asking too much..but man would that leave us some great choices.

[YtownBacker]

Because of the confusion that Carolina and Cincy are creating it's hard to project who will be there when we pick. I can only assume that Dareus and Miller will be gone. After them anybody could fall to us.

What Heckert will do or which direction he will go is as big a question mark as what Carolina might do. The Browns could go in any direction IMO.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by heckofajobbrownie

I think the Browns' options are pretty clear for the #6:

Where'd/When'd you get here? What's up Heck?

What about Jones/WR?

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by YtownBacker

Then again a WR might help as much as Dez helped Dallas's bottom line. Or how much Crabtree helped San Fran's bottom line or how much going out and getting Marshall helped Miami in wins and losses.

If they are going to go 5-11 they can do it just as well with a WR then they can with a CB. Sorry pal, I don't buy into that. This is a team game and you have to have playmakers on both sides of the ball. One player at one position won't be the cause of a team going 5-11. The loss of a player by injury or just not having top talent at the position is the reason you must have depth. The NFL is a game of injuries and if a WR or CB goes down you have to plug the next guy in and keep going.

So, I don't buy into your theory that if we don't take a WR we will be 5-11. If we take one then I guess you have us going to the playoffs. Hell, then give me two so I have a spare in case the first one doesn't work out.

Green, Jones or bust.......................fuck the rest of the draft. #1 WRs are only found in the first ten picks and CBs can be found anywhere. It's a passing league but screw defending the pass. We have Wright and Adams to fall back on. We lost 3 or 4 games because we couldn't defend the pass at the end of the game last year.......................but, fuck it. Holmgren and Heckert both say you can't have enough good corners but what do they know. They say CB is a big need but what the hell do they know. I don't think I ever heard them say WR was our biggest need.

You're trying to sell your BS to the wrong guy dude.

You could write the best essay that's ever been written Y but if someone thinks we're just 3 personnel moves from being the Atlanta Falcons of 3 years ago - you're not talking them out of WR first and playoffs 2 seconds later.

There's people out there thinking we've been consistently drafting impressive volumes of studs complemented by great FA moves the last 11-12 years. That being the case, the first ship never sunk in their eyes; so we don't have to build a new ship and Phil Savage is still here perfecting his craft. He'll get us the WR and we're heading for undefeated football this year. And why? Because in 1 year - the Atlanta Falcons hired the RIGHT Head Coach, RIGHT GM, struck gold at QB in round 1, added a 1500 yard rusher in FA Michael Turner, added FA TE Tony Gonzales, added a starting LT in rd 1, added defensive leader/captain MLB Curtis Lofton in round 2, already had Jon Abraham and Roddy White. That happens so often I'm ashamed of myself for not seeing it sooner.

Some people acted like Phil Savage trading away day 1 in 2008 and all but 4 draft picks in 2009 set us up exactly like the new regime in Atlanta walked into a few years ago. That said, we had Casper the Friendly Ghost working in Thomas Dimitroff's capacity to get an idea.

SOMETIMES it feels like we're ready to win consistently if we just add those 2-3 missing playmakers on a team that lost most games by 1-2 big plays. HOWEVER, we went from beating the best opponents on our schedule (or taking them to OT) to a 2 week cluster of injuries rendering Buffalo and Cincy overwhelming. You look at the Ratbirds LOSING to Cincy WITHOUT Ed Reed and beating them late in the game BECAUSE of Ed Reed's INT in the end zone. That is what a playmaker does for winning. Without Ed Reed, they STILL lost to Cincy inspite of the WR corps of Boldin, Mason, and Howsmymazda. Come to think of it, if Ed Reed was missing in that 2nd matchup, they were just as willing to lose again inspite of having the WR corps everyone envied in the preseason right? And for the meatballs on top of spaghetti, the ONLY time Baltimore sucked in recent years was when Kyle Boller started. Hmmm. I suppose this is an ideal team to remind people of when injury made us re-insert Mr Panic Attack (Delhomme) at QB. Consequently, Mt Union would have been just as overwhelming as we found late season opponents like Buffalo and Cincy.

Point? A team in transition with a ratio of 11 bad draft volumes to 1 good draft volume isn't ready to handle an injury volume to key players just yet. We were also losing backups pressed into fill-in starter mode so all the bad drafting and atrocious free agent signings slammed the breaks on the comfortable cruising speed we had at 1 point. Folks, the Edmund Fitzgerald already sunk in the Great Lakes so we're going Noah's Ark-level strategy here to plant a great AFC team in the region again. In doing so, we're not gonna get picky with ideal thoroughbreds on our doorstep. That's where we HAVE to understand we haven't been the Steelers in the front office the last 12 years. We're actually the team that gift-wrapped LaMarr Woodley to them while we haven't been able to count on our 2 preferences to him the last 2 years. And how many chances did we have to draft Mike Wallace before Pittsburgh got him in round 3? Teams like Indy and Pittsburgh have been winning in the front office in order to make names like Caldwell and Tomlin worthy of remembering. It's not the other way around. Promise! Those 2 franchises weren't resurrected in just 1-2 drafts either. The other part of this is staying healthy for the seemingly elusive first time.