The Analysts...what they don't see?

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Lombardi and Casserly were pretty damn good GMs

I want to go as far to say they sucked ..... but I won't. They weren't extremely terrible, but they were pretty far from pretty damn good. LOL. Lombardi is an asshat who predicted with extreme prejudice the fall of Eric Mangini once Holmgren walked in the door. And Casserly just isn't correct most of the time. Hell, they're like twins.

You need to find some better mentors. LOL.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

That is exactly how you end up with the Browns trading up for a guy like Ward last year, and trading up for a guy like Taylor this year.. They have done the homework an analyst could never do.

Exactly. These guys dig a lot deeper than the anal-ysts are even aloud to dig. Interviews with players is a big one. Resources to talk to all kinds of people. Medical analysis - I mean real analysis not rumors and false info.

[Sez.EJ]

The draft is over..players are picked.. at this point..it's up to the players and coaches to make the GM look smart or dumb.. The analysts will be sitting on the sidelines pointing fingers.

[Sez.EJ]

The draft is over; players are picked. At this point, it's up to the players and coaches to make the GM look smart or dumb. The analysts will be sitting on the sidelines pointing fingers. Oh, and we will too. ha ha ha Then we do it again next year..

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[Alo]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Lombardi and Casserly were pretty damn good GMs. Mayock gets offers every year and GMs actually DO call for his opinion. Kiper and McShay work hard but they're a little nutty.

Belichick: "Who's been been wrong more than Charley Casserly?" | ProFootballTalk

[YtownBacker]

Must be the toupe that has revived Casserly's career. It surely isn't his insightful analysis of the draft.

Him and Lombardi could do a remake of "dumb and dumber".

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by YtownBacker

Must be the toupe that has revived Casserly's career. It surely isn't his insightful analysis of the draft.

Him and Lombardi could do a remake of "dumb and dumber".

I just don't agree. Two guys who had nice, fruitful careers as GMs in the actual NFL? I like to hear what they have to say. When you toss in Mayock, I like it a lot. It's fun.

[Alo]

The question is whether those two guys do their homework. Casserly mispronounces most prospects' names: Nate Solder has been "Soldier" for the last four months. Lombardi seems solid but also heavily reliant on what he's hearing from people around the league, which is both a good and a bad thing ("insider" perspective but he could be getting spun).

Mayock's great. There's no question on that one.

[Brown Warrior]

I'd go along with that. I enjoy Lombardi and he stays coolheaded and almost amused by the others. Casserly comes off a little crazy.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by YtownBacker

Must be the toupe that has revived Casserly's career. It surely isn't his insightful analysis of the draft.

Him and Lombardi could do a remake of "dumb and dumber".

You couldn't find a better summary of how often Casserly has been wrong since he left Washington. Even better, BB stated exactly why he's always wrong. Incomplete research. All that said, I like Casserly's sense of humor.

I think Lombardi knows his stuff but he hasn't always approved of the leadership in Cleveland. That has rubbed some people the wrong way about him.

I saw a special somewhere about how great Bobby Beathard's career was going until he made Ryan Leaf the face of the franchise in San Diego. They still show the incident with him screaming "LEAF me alone" to the reporter.

When it comes to Casserly, the Cleveland Browns had recently made QB Tim Couch and DE Courtney Brown successive #1 overall picks when he got an expansion team to direct. The mock draft consensus LOVED those ideas so alot of us Browns fans were believing what we were reading on those two. I preferred Arrington to Brown but let's not waste time gettign sidetracked there. It would seem the next GM in our shoes should pay particular attention to where things go if you don't get guys capable of full impact. Casserly pretty much followed Policy's model here and steered the ship straight into the iceberg with making David Carr and Mario Williams his 2 choices for #1 overall. The sad thing is Mario Williams has been prone to a productive season rushing the passer; but how much can 1 DE way off to the end of 1 side of the line of scrimmage change things on a defense with bigger problems stopping the run between the tackles? When our defense ranked something like 30th against the run, it was hard to say I hope we land the best pass rusher off the edge. Offensive Coordinators watch film in this league so that's why we saw guys like Corey Dillon and Jamal Lewis lighting us up with 200 yard rushing days AFTER we landed Brown. That was like going to the doctor with a head injury and getting your big toe treated instead.

[BernietheKid]

Browns' draft screams long term: Terry's Talkin'

Published: Saturday, May 07, 2011, 6:03 PM Updated: Saturday, May 07, 2011, 6:10 PM

By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer

ABOUT THE BROWNS' DRAFT . . .
1. I talked to a top executive at another AFC team about the Browns' draft and heard the following: "They are being practical. They're not kidding themselves about being Julio Jones or some other great player away from being a good team. They recognized that they lack depth and talent to compete right now in the AFC North."

2. The Browns would never say that openly, but this draft screamed long term. This is a team that has only once ranked higher than No. 27 against the run since the franchise returned in 1999. So that led to the team trading down with Atlanta, adding what amounted to three new picks.

3. That led to the drafting of Phil Taylor at No. 21. Will the defensive tackle from Baylor make a major difference on the line? The AFC executive said: "What you really notice is when you don't have those big guys who can stop the run. Cleveland hasn't [had them]. With [Ahtyba] Rubin and now Taylor, they at least admit there is a problem and are willing to address it."

4. ESPN's Todd McShay believed trading the No. 70 pick to Kansas City to move up from No. 27 to No. 21 to draft Taylor was the Browns' "most questionable move . . . It's not a terrible reach to take Taylor, but they might not have had to give up a third-round pick to get him."

5. The Browns believed someone (Philadelphia?) planned to take Taylor before No. 27, so they made the deal. They put a higher value on Taylor than on Muhammad Wilkerson, the defensive lineman from Temple who the Jets took at No. 30. It will be worth checking back in a few years to see which player has made more of an impact. The Browns also saw the 310-pound Wilkerson as more of a defensive end in a 3-4 formation, rather than a pure run-stopper. The Browns are switching from the 3-4 to a 4-3.

6. ESPN's Mel Kiper wrote, "Taylor may have been a bit of a reach, but he's the best clogger in the draft -- and those guys are hard to find." Kiper gave the Browns a B+ for the draft.

7. After it was all over, the Browns traded their No. 6 pick (Jones, to Atlanta) and No. 70 (Georgia defensive end Justin Houston, to K.C.) for Taylor, second-rounder Greg Little and fourth-rounder Owen Marecic. The deal continues next season, with the Browns having Atlanta's first- and fourth-round picks.

8. I believe the Browns' best pick and the one most likely to show immediate results is Jabaal Sheard, the defensive end from Pittsburgh. He was the Big East Defensive Player of the Year. Sheard had 14.5 tackles for loss, 9.5 sacks, batted down four passes and forced four fumbles. He seems like a guy who makes big plays, and his speed is obvious when watching him on tape.

9. McShay and Kiper both praised taking Little in the second round. I consider him the biggest risk because he didn't play last season -- for accepting money from an agent and lying to the NCAA -- and has played only one full season as a wide receiver. He was a star running back in high school. The Browns say Little is an elite athlete, and he did have enough talent to make North Carolina's basketball team one season. This is the boom or bust pick, depending upon how Little approaches the pros.

10. The Browns are confident about Little adjusting to his new team because North Carolina played the same type of West Coast offense the Browns will use.

11. The Browns like football players with basketball experience because high-level college basketball demands tremendous athleticism. It's why they took Jordan Cameron, a tight end from USC who played some basketball there and at Brigham Young. ESPN wrote: "He is tough because of his pass-catching ability. He should be effective on third down and in the red zone."

12. Marecic also played in the West Coast offense at Stanford, and the Browns project him as a fullback with major power-blocking ability, but enough skill to catch passes out of the backfield. He also started at linebacker (yes, he played both ways). ESPN wrote, "Marecic should contribute immediately in short yardage and goal-line situations, and be a terror on special teams."

13. I really liked the idea of trading the two sixth-rounders for Pitt left tackle Jason Pinkston. He can fill in at right guard and tackle, where the Browns are desperately thin.

Browns' draft screams long term: Terry's Talkin' | cleveland.com