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[DeadWombat]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

That list freaks me out... because about 80% of them, at one time or another, I thought they were the greatest players in the history of football.

What happened to James Davis? I thought he was gonna be all that for a minute?

I thought he was going to be a huge steal, too... I mean, HUGE. I hyped him tons. He was picked up by the 'Skins... was placed on the active roster after an injury to their backup RB last year, but saw no carries.

[Brown Warrior]

He actually did have one good game with 40 rushing yards and 40 receiving yards.

[hammertime]

Jeremiah Pharms Class: Senior Hometown: Sacramento, Calif. High School: Valley High School Height / Weight: 6-1 / 250 Position: OLB Experience: 3L

Don't worry / Be happy

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by PlaygroundLegend

I still have and wear my Kevin Johnson jersey. I still think he was a great player.

Me too! For a short period of time, KJ was a really reliable player on this team. The thing people forget about KJ was that he made a position change to WR as a soph at SU and was drafted after his junior season. Plenty of upside to get coached up. If you look at his numbers below, I think you'll see the ONLY season he wasn't reliable was the 2nd year when he tried playing through a hamstring injury all season.

Anyway, I hated Northcutt as a WR - never seen a bigger pussy. Quincy Morgan couldn't catch anything while Andre Davis just couldn't stay healthy for 2 straight weeks. If someone came in and gave us an equivalent production to what KJ gave us in 99 and 01, we'd be feeling pretty good about the WR position. I think the numbers below show us KJ was the best 2nd round draft pick we've made on offense here in the last 12 years:

Year	Team	Rec	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	1st	YAC	Trgt
1999	CLE	66	986	14.9	64	8	39	283	137
2000	CLE	57	669	11.7	79	0	26	249	101
2001	CLE	84	1097	13.1	55	9	54	239	129
2002	CLE	67	703	10.5	30	4	38	161	120

[Flugel]

2008 - Cleveland Browns
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
4 104 Beau Bell LB Nevada-Las Vegas
4 111 Martin Rucker TE Missouri
6 190 Ahtyba Rubin DT Iowa State
6 191 Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin
7 231 Alex Hall LB St. Augustine's

2007 - Cleveland Browns
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
1 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
2 53 Eric Wright CB Nevada-Las Vegas
5 140 Brandon McDonald DB Memphis
6 200 Melila Purcell DE Hawaii
7 213 Chase Pittman DE Louisiana State
7 234 Syndric Steptoe WR Arizona

2006 - Cleveland Browns
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 13 Kamerion Wimbley OLB Florida State
2 34 D'Qwell Jackson ILB Maryland
3 78 Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma
4 110 Leon Williams LB Miami (Fla.)
4 112 Isaac Sowells G Indiana
5 145 Jerome Harrison RB Washington State
5 152 DeMario Minter CB Georgia
6 180 Lawrence Vickers FB Colorado
6 181 Baba Oshinowo DT Stanford
7 222 Justin Hamilton DB Virginia Tech

2005 - Cleveland Browns
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
2 34 Brodney Pool DB Oklahoma
3 67 Charlie Frye QB Akron
4 103 Antonio Perkins DB Oklahoma
5 139 David McMillan LB Kansas
6 176 Nick Speegle LB New Mexico
6 203 Andrew Hoffman DT Virginia
7 217 Jon Dunn T Virginia Tech

2004 - Cleveland Browns
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 6 Kellen Winslow TE Miami (Fla.)
2 59 Sean Jones SAF Georgia
4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech
5 161 Amon Gordon DE Stanford
6 176 Kirk Chambers T Stanford
7 208 Adimchinobe Echemandu RB California

2003 - Cleveland Browns
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
2 52 Chaun Thompson LB West Texas A&M
3 84 Chris Crocker DB Marshall
4 115 Lee Suggs RB Virginia Tech
5 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice
5 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota
6 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College

Holy snappin arsens! I don't think there's a better way to illustrate why so many head coaching careers are resting in peace today. Since 1999, I've been reading fire the coach/coordinator as if the GM's making Fool's Gold above weren't the bigger issue.

THIS is why your buddy Flugel is excited to have Heckert's established competance here ADDING picks in lieu of putting all our marbles into 1 guy like a Winslow or Edwards that can land on IR pretty easily as we learned.

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by Flugel

2008 - Cleveland Browns


2003 - Cleveland Browns
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
2 52 Chaun Thompson LB West Texas A&M
3 84 Chris Crocker DB Marshall
4 115 Lee Suggs RB Virginia Tech
5 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice
5 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota
6 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College

Butchie's 2003 draft wasn't actually that bad aside from Chaun Thompson in the 2nd RD. Faine (TB), Crocker (CIN), Pontbriand (CLE), and Garay (SD) are all still in the NFL. This must of have been the draft he half-heartedly listened to Ron Wolf because his other drafts were horrible.

[ramrod]

I think our best draft was 1996... Maybe it was 97.
Damn, dem be da years.