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Sobo started a pretty amazing thread on OBR based on watching and breaking down a Rams-Niners game from last year. I won't lift it, obviously, but he made some amazing points:

- Most sets were single back "ace formations" with either two TEs (most common) or three WRs. One of the TEs was in-line, the other in motion or in the slot.

- He sees why the Browns love Cameron and Moore, along with Watson. Thinks the TEs will be a huge part of the offense.

- Blocking fullback almost doesn't exist. Totally gets Marecic pick because he can run and catch, brings another dimension.

- Tailback almost never pass blocks. Jackson was in virtually every route. Hillis fits the Jackson role to a tee, a big back who can catch.

- The WRs ran deep routes but were almost never targeted. Used mostly as "run-offs," but the depth chart at WR was really sad sans Clayton and the little fast dude they lost. Everything was VERY fast, land that back foot and the ball is out.

- TONS of shotgun, which McCoy is accustomed to. Much like the Packers, something that's evolved over time for the WCO.

- He thinks Amendola is actually UNDER-rated. Thinks he's very good and way closer to Welker than given credit. Runs several different routes, all well, not just super short stuff. Believes that's the Browns biggest missing piece.

(Maehl or Sanzenbacher anybody?)

Cools stuff. Let's talk about it!!
I said alot of the same things on another board a week ago when a poster was concerned about Hillis playing the fullback rule with Hardesty on the field.

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Will some of you knowledgeable posters help me understand the role of a fullback in the WCO? It really seems to me that we need to be providing a lead blocker for Hillis rather than using Hillis as a lead blocker. I can't believe that a football coach at any level would do anything to diminish Hillis' performances offensively.

Full back was almost exempt from Shurmur's offense in St. Louis. Mike Carney their starting FB had 6 carries for 12 yards and 5 catches for 14 yards, so if he was on the field he was probably blocking. But that wasn't often, most of the time they ran a 1 back set and if a extra blocker was needed they shifted a TE into the backfield.

Dont worry, if Hillis is blocking he's going to be picking up blitz's on passing downs not playing the rule of the fullback
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Wow. You pretty much said it verbatim!
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Wow. You pretty much said it verbatim!
Haha smart guy. Ok I didn't write a 4 paragraph article for you to pay to read, but in my one short paragraph I thought I expressed some of the same thoughts.

One day I hope to be able to express myself like Flug's, that guy's a utter genius. Were lucky to have someone with his knowledge and captive writing style. I don't know what he does for a living but he should be writing article's for Sports Illustrated. He's my hero, I come here just to hear you two go back and forth. Your not to bad yourself, I just don't agree with most of your opinion's. Carry on now, I'll take notes.
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Hey, Tony: 1. Wouldn't making copies of playbooks be bad? Players that are cut/traded can distribute playbooks to other teams for a competitive advantage. 2. How involved do you see Ray Rhodes being in the defense? 3. I know this is all speculation, but do you expect Pat Shurmur to regret not hiring an offensive coordinator? 4. Shurmur was criticized by St. Louis fans last year for their "vanilla" offense. Should I be worried? -- Browns Fan, Toledo

Hey, Fan: 1. All's fair in times of war, and the owners and player definitely are embroiled in labor war.
2. Rhodes will be very involved in the teaching and planning of the defense. He and Jauron have worked together before.
3. I'm not that hung up about Shurmur not hiring a coordinator. Any offensive-minded head coach wants to put his imprint on his team before delegating his offense to someone else. He'll be fine.
4. The Rams broke in a rookie QB and a rookie left tackle and had no receivers after a few veterans were injured early. Plus, Shurmur was taking orders from a defensive-minded head coach. I think things will be different here.
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Haha smart guy. Ok I didn't write a 4 paragraph article for you to pay to read, but in my one short paragraph I thought I expressed some of the same thoughts.

One day I hope to be able to express myself like Flug's, that guy's a utter genius. Were lucky to have someone with his knowledge and captive writing style. I don't know what he does for a living but he should be writing article's for Sports Illustrated. He's my hero, I come here just to hear you two go back and forth. Your not to bad yourself, I just don't agree with most of your opinion's. Carry on now, I'll take notes.
That was really nice of you to say that on my behalf - much appreciated Mills! Don't sell yourself short you hammered out your point very well in about 8 paragraphs less than I would have needed. Advantage: you.

FWIW, I'm really just an average blowhard that considers the Browns and this board an enjoyable hobby. The reason this board is a hobby is because there's so many passionate fans that care enough to understand the depths of their favorite team - that I'm always learning from the daily exchanges here. That main purpose for me being here is because I don't know any more than the next fan and I DO lose debates like everyone else. Everybody in here has taught me something about this team that I didn't know at 1 time or another. That's pretty freakin cool! There's alot of you folks that need to give yourselves more credit. I mean that.

As a former player and coach from the stone ages, I'm wired to explore where to improve performance on the field. It's a highly competitive sport where I got an absolute thrill looking at film. "How did that squid assault my ass on that 1 play?" I was too high out of stance. There's a sensible explanation for everything you see, which is good because it's usually coachable/correctable. You can always SEE things on film so I'm not big researching paraphrases of media guys when they're telling me Steinbach isn't worth it every year. I watch film and see what I have to in order to understand why Mack and Thomas find him irreplaceable. Ironically, all 3 of them were good enough for Pro Bowl consideration in 2010 (2 were alternates - but that doesn't suck).

Shep and I have totally different taste in QBs and sometimes it gets higher intensity than it needs to be. We've been together in cyberspace since 1999 so when we're bumping chests it's like 2 siblings in the back seat of a long car ride. He offers alot of goodies to most of the discussions; and it can get entertaining watching him get creative to defend Alex Smith or Joey Harrington. I've been on some message boards that would have died without the Passion of the Shep during certain slow periods. I'm learning to have some fun with his quirky QB criteria. We're gonna start finding appropriate music to meet that hot criteria.

Anyway, sometimes the biggest compliment another fan can pay you is that he/she finds you interesting and significant enough to debate. Most people show alot of respect toward others in here. Even in disagreements I see some say "this is a good point but this is where I disagree." Sometimes there's some warranted golden rule and there's usually comical sarcasm.

Do you know when we as fans are most vulnerable to being wrong? When we get emotionally attached to a player we think offers everything we need from the right BIG school program. And we tend to really like guys that either played high school ball nearby or they come out of a favorite college conference or program. I thought guys like Andy Katzenmoyer, Big Daddy Wilkenson, Archie Griffen, Tom Cousineau, and Troy Smith were gonna be can't miss superstars. Knowing we needed a RB at the time - I loved me some William Green. I also bought all the Tim Couch Kool Aid as the pick of the litter. I think we've all done this more than we would have liked to because emotional commitments exceed willingness to see everything in certain comparisons. The HOMER element keeps me happy I have a day job and loving football as an escape from the real world realities.
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I was seriously complimenting you. What did you think I meant? You actually DID say it almost verbatim.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll keep trying to figure out this writing thing!

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Haha smart guy. Ok I didn't write a 4 paragraph article for you to pay to read, but in my one short paragraph I thought I expressed some of the same thoughts.

One day I hope to be able to express myself like Flug's, that guy's a utter genius. Were lucky to have someone with his knowledge and captive writing style. I don't know what he does for a living but he should be writing article's for Sports Illustrated. He's my hero, I come here just to hear you two go back and forth. Your not to bad yourself, I just don't agree with most of your opinion's. Carry on now, I'll take notes.
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I was seriously complimenting you. What did you think I meant? You actually DID say it almost verbatim.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll keep trying to figure out this writing thing!
I took it as sarcasm knowing you, since I obviously didn't say it verbatim. Sorry for misinterpreting, but thanks for the compliment.

You've already figured out the writing thing, I just don't agree with some of the contents, but your very good at expressing your thoughts. I sensed a little sarcasm in that statement to, no?
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I took it as sarcasm knowing you, since I obviously didn't say it verbatim. Sorry for misinterpreting, but thanks for the compliment.

You've already figured out the writing thing, I just don't agree with some of the contents, but your very good at expressing your thoughts. I sensed a little sarcasm in that statement to, no?
No sarcasm at all in the first compliment... definite sarcasm in the second one. Most people here know I'm a writer.

Hey, I lob out earnest compliments even to my avowed adversaries here and you ain't one of those. I thought what you wrote was an on-point condensed version of Sobo's article, so... kudos.

But wait... "knowing me" meant it was sarcastic? Huh? I'm not a meanie here or anywhere. Just not my thang.
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