Browns "MIP" for 2011 and Beyond

[Brown Warrior]

Oh, they did a Part 2? I'm in Columbus for graduation (holy shit)... not getting to check in much.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

It was actually me who brought the article over, Tom... but you're welcome! Good stuff to jumpstart a talk, I figured.

Thank you BOTH for the goodies. It was a good conversation piece on both accts.

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by Flugel

Thank you BOTH for the goodies. It was a good conversation piece on both accts.

I was kinda teasing, but thanks, Thomas. Today Steve D. has a nice article (forgot to copy) about Holmgren believing a QB needs 32 starts before you can pass judgment on him. I have a sense that we'll have a decent idea what we have in McCoy by the end of 2011, after 24 starts.

I don't think you have to judge him harshly and you do need to accept the "bumps" Holmgren spoke of. But you can certainly get a sense of whether the problems are systemic or part of a growth process.

For me, it's the most interesting part of the 2011 season. I love watching young quarterbacks "get it."

[Alo]

I agree, Shep [that just doesn't feel right]

After Holmgren didn't get to "pop a quarterback" in this year's draft, he'll most likely get one in 2012. If McCoy flunks, he'll go for Luck/Landry Jones/Barkley; if there's still some uncertainty, he'll pick up a mid-rounder like Kellen Moore (Holmgren: "He's a f*ckin' winner"); if Freckles is the guy, a late rounder like Solon's boytoy Case Keenum will end up in Cleveland.

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by Alo

I agree, Shep [that just doesn't feel right]

Weird. It's raining frogs in Westlake Village all of a sudden.