Cleveland vs. Detroit Preview and Game Thread

[Brown Warrior]

Well, Thomas, that's one way to take a joke!

You said I was insulting Youngstown? What the hell are you talking about? You know he crawls up my ass in just about every debate and for the most part I just laugh it off. Did I misunderstand something?

I like Y (and Riff) just fine when they aren't lodged in my rectum. Seriously.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Well, Thomas, that's one way to take a joke!

You said I was insulting Youngstown? What the hell are you talking about? You know he crawls up my ass in just about every debate and for the most part I just laugh it off. Did I misunderstand something?

I like Y (and Riff) just fine when they aren't lodged in my rectum. Seriously.

You definitely push Y's buttons when he's reporting on training camp and you are correcting him. Alot of people in his shoes would feel insulted if they are ATTENDING and reporting what they see only to get corrected by somebody that hasn't been to 1 practice yet. That isn't insulting? You know it is and you're better than that so don't make somebody proud of his unnecessary Strawman convictions. I stood up for you too right? Let's just talk football like we CAN without all the button pushing.

To be honest, I don't know why you feel compelled to make Robiskie such an important part of daily conversation. He's only 1 guy that's gonna get phased out at warped speed if he can't make plays in games. Nobody in the brass feels obligation to him so there must be an endearing quality we can't see every day from our computers that Herckert and Shurmur can see in Berea. I think all Browns fans just want our best WRs making the team with our elites getting the most pt. Preseason starters are just auditions for regular season startsies. If auditions get aced like Evan Moore, he's gonna see a ton of action barring any more head injuries. A kid like Norwood is acing his audition for game reps too. If MoMass was healthy enough to practice, he would have been working with starters all this time too. The problem is he STILL can't practice last I heard; and that's not a good sign when the injury os one of his wheels.

Teams that have ALWAYS drafted well are better equipped to handle injury than teams that just STARTED drafting well a year ago. Like Pittsburgh once had Wallace ready to go if Ward or Holmes got injured. Last year, they added 2 studs that their FA Jerricho's Crotchedy is going to have a hard time leapfrogging this year to be #3 guy there. They've always done this with their LB corps too. In watching our passing game, I'm totally seeing why Heckert said we didn't need to go overpay any WRs like James Jones or the Steve Breaston that only scored 1 TD in 2010 (with only 47 receptions starting on the other side of formation from Fitzgerald).

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by Flugel

To be honest, Ytown actually reported this GREAT news as soon as it unfolded in practices last week during a good discussion about it. In fact, Ytown has been pretty accurate and up-to-date with all the info he shares.

What Ytown has been trying to say to all the ambitious FA fans in the house is that guys like Titus Brown, Jordan Norwood, MoMass, Josh Cribbs, Evan Moore, and others would NEVER have the chance to show if they arrived if we brought in the next Antonio Bryant to spell pink slip for the next Lance Moore that would have to star somewhere else. If anyone saw Rubin at the end of his rookie year, he was standing straight up and surrenderign leverage following every snap. We had the choice of knee jerking massive overpayment to another Shaun Smith equivalent here OR coaching up some VERY correctable stance exit heights/pad levels. Bryan Cox REALLY helped this kid out with that. Every now and then when Rubin gets tired - he resorts back to bad habits. The main thing here is that young players sometimes only need 1 or 2 things corrected by coaching. And if we're talking about the WRs, let's try to remember how many complaints have been posted about the accuracies of DA and Delhomme.

I guess Grossi has been having fun throwing Robiskie under the bus; because he knows there's fans that just gotta have that kind of juice in their daily Browns' news. Just because Ytown is going Joe Friday with "just the facts" doesn't mean he's wrong about reporting days Robiskie had good practices with the first unit. He's even gone on record that he's not a huge Robiskie fan so there's no agenda from him. I trust his info. Even more, I appreciate it.

Here's where I'm at about the WRs. I want our best 6 here with the guys giving us the best chance to win getting the most playing time. I don't give a rat if the guy played college ball in East Kaputnik or Ohio. Like everyone else, I'm feeling some Hallmark-love for Evan Moore and he played out at Stanford. The wanting Robiskie to succeed was MORE to do with him being a great kid with an impressive work ethic after 2 DIVAS like Stallworth and Braylon stiffed us good. It had zero to do with the Ohio State thing because I felt the exact same way for MoMass.

Thanks for the props dude.................Now, let Shep open his mouth and change feet.

Honestly.............I love you Shep. There I said it and now I am happy for both of us.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

You said I was insulting Youngstown?

Well you were a little insulting. He is there you are not. You read things on the internet, he sees things not on the internet.

100 people can say something to you but you will never believe it. I searched this site with "Brown Warrior" and "Robiskie" and it got over 120 hits. There is discussing and then there is soap boxing.

.....IMO.

[Brown Warrior]

Good. Just wanted to make sure we're clear... I've never been insulting to Y. Tom slipped that in very casually and I wanted to make sure it doesn't become the truth. I rank Y VERY high as a debate opponent and I mean that in the best way... and nothing spoils a debate like going juvenile or insulting.

Tom, sincerely... stop being a hall monitor. If I read camp reports from 7 guys and only 1 says Robiskie's just fine... and that guy happens to be the one who's been backing Robiskie in debates since PRIOR to camp opened? It's my right to be skeptical. Grossi, Ulrich, Rapid Reports, Wolf, and OBR all say Robiskie opened pretty nice but has essentially disappeared, including at practice. Today, his name was included a lot when passes are picked off... which supports the ongoing popular observation that he struggles to get open. He's an easy cover.

James Walker talks about it. Kirwan talked about it. Alo talks about it. It's a very real thing with Robiskie. So please don't toss of that I've been "insulting" Y, remove your tongue from his ear, and let's debate like grownups. You don't have to choose sides.

And all that said... I love you, too, Y. Way more than Tom does. I see qualities in you he'll never understand. That funny little way you--

Okay, I was laughing one second, swallowing bile the next. Seacrest out.

[YtownBacker]

Would you consider it a insult by saying I'm up your ass or is that a compliment since we professed our love for each other?

Just askin......................................

To say you don't come across as insulting (in a respectful way, of course) is like saying Queen Elizabeth hides her age well.

Then again..........fuck it and let's move on. You are you and we all love the continual drama you bring to the board..................................that was a joke.

[Brown Warrior]

You know me... the drama queen! That was obviously sarcastic.

"Up my ass" is insulting to you? It means you like to get on me a lot. How does that insult you? Seriously... you did know what it means, right? It's like if I say, "Y's always looking for a chance to get after me," and you say, "Heeeeey! Hold on! That's insulting!"

It just doesn't make sense. I don't literally mean you live and work inside my rectum. It's a saying that means, "He gets after me a lot."

I'm just in a mode to not let any falsities fly today... but I still absolutely meant that I love to debate with you. And I'm perhaps the least insulting person on this board, one of a few who refuses to go personal or mean. Just the way I rolls.

Say what you will, including the profuse compliments about my open-mindedness and willingness to change my mind... but you gotta start with the fact that I'm never, ever mean. You know that's right.

So unless you hate kindness, open-mindedness, boggling intelligence, and humility... you really do love me back.

[Sez.EJ]

Shep never does anything wrong.. and never has... hehehe

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

You know me... the drama queen! That was obviously sarcastic.

"Up my ass" is insulting to you? It means you like to get on me a lot. How does that insult you? Seriously... you did know what it means, right? It's like if I say, "Y's always looking for a chance to get after me," and you say, "Heeeeey! Hold on! That's insulting!"

It just doesn't make sense. I don't literally mean you live and work inside my rectum. It's a saying that means, "He gets after me a lot."

I'm just in a mode to not let any falsities fly today... but I still absolutely meant that I love to debate with you. And I'm perhaps the least insulting person on this board, one of a few who refuses to go personal or mean. Just the way I rolls.

Say what you will, including the profuse compliments about my open-mindedness and willingness to change my mind... but you gotta start with the fact that I'm never, ever mean. You know that's right.

So unless you hate kindness, open-mindedness, boggling intelligence, and humility... you really do love me back.

Hello Mcfly..........................

Can you recognize or even interrupt sarcasm. Let this drama queen act go. Let's move on from your all innocence, thin skin BS.

Let's talk football, if you want to do the he said, she said girly crap then email me so these people don't have to read through shit to find football to post about.

.......................I don't love you anymore, I love Tom. There you brought it on yourself.

WTF

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by YtownBacker

Hello Mcfly..........................

Can you recognize or even interrupt sarcasm. Let this drama queen act go. Let's move on from your all innocence, thin skin BS.

Let's talk football, if you want to do the he said, she said girly crap then email me so these people don't have to read through shit to find football to post about.

.......................I don't love you anymore, I love Tom. There you brought it on yourself.

WTF

I was responding in kind, trying to be sort of absurdist. Doesn't translate on boards, I guess. I should have learned from Crow (!).

And about Tom: I hate you, Y. You are and always will be a heartless slut.