Shurmur brings Browns confidence, Calm

[Masters]

Of coure you had to over dramatize what I said.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Not a thing, isn't like he was a sacking machine with 7.5 sacks last year and 3.5 in his rookie season. The guy was a fucking bum, Mangini picked him and we can't give him credit for anything afterall.

That isn't really a whole lot. At least not the way you want to make him out to be some super stud. As I said haven't proven or really done a whole lot in the NFL other than show flashes of potential. But you focue on the few stats and not what was on the field. You know how Bernard could only be counted on to solely rush the passer. He's a nice potential talent, but right now he's just a guy.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Nada, he didn't catch for over 300 yards as a backup TE last year with a 20 yard receiving average or for 160 yards in 5 games the season prior.

Are you really proping up 300 yards adn 160 yards? You realize 160 in five games is 30+ yards a game right? Like Bernard a guy who has shown potential. But that's it. Not to mention it's a guy who can't stay on the field.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Yeah true, 4 sacks is pretty fucking shitty, as is 7 and a half sacks, 114 tackles and3 passes batted down in two seasons. Fuck that guy.

Didnt' say it was shitty. But again nothing overly impressive outside of the end of 2008 when he was trying to get a big contract. 114 total tackles (solo + ast) over 22 games is not all world like you made it out. Neither is 4 sackes over 16 games last year. Not for a 3-4 OLB. I gave him credit for what he showed in 2009 over the 6 games. But that doesn't make him some great talent like you want to portray him to be.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Nevermind that Mangini tried trading for him while Heckert was still blowing Andy Reid up in Philly and it was an EM guy, we can't give him credit even when the media itself had to give him credit for that one.

Supposedly he did according to posters on message boards he tried to get him the year before. What he doesn't get is sole credit like you want to give him. He didn't do the deal, so sorry no full credit. Doesn't mean EM doesn't get a tip of the cap for his roll.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Nah I was kidding, Elam's a Mangini pick. He sucks. 170 tackles, 12 passes defended, 2 interceptions and 3 forced fumbles is a garbage assed player, depending on whose choice he was.

All those blown coverages, getting beat deep over and over, getting run over by RB. Great, he made a bunch of tackles 20 yards down field. Guy is not good. There are Elams all over the league. He's an NFL quality player and that was it. But feel free to make him out to be some great player.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Nah I was kidding again, Corey Williams playing out of position was 500 times better. 4 sacks and 106 tackles for a 3-4 DE is fucking pathetic.

Didn't say Williams was better. What you just listed isn't great talent like you were again making him out to be (espeicially not when factoring it what was given up to get the guy). Like Elam, just a guy.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Totally kidding. 80 tackles and 4.5 sacks as a rotational guy while being a S/T demon? He sucked and had no potential, a total weak spot on the team. Reminds me of Bill Bates, the guy that dumbfuck Jimmy Johnson kept keeping around as a backup/Special Teams guy.

Just a guy. Nice bench player to have and playing STs. But another that is not some fantastic talent like you portrayed him to be.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Clearly Eric Mangini had zero say in the matter and Heckert just happened to go after an ex Patriot that knew Manginis system for shits and giggles.

Didn't say EM might not have input. But again not soley his move. So you can't just selectively give him credit for it.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Yeah Mangini had no say in the matter, Heckerts just a liar then?

Didn't say EM might not have input. But again not soley his move. So you can't just selectively give him credit for it.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

No not really. Stucky fucking sucked and clearly was NOT a solid #3 WR you could leave be while worrying about the #1 WR spot. He only caught 40 passes for 346 yards last year and 19 catches for 198 yards the season before. With Quinn/DA throwing to him. After being acquired in the middle of the season in a trade.

You must have thought Northcutt was a stud then too. I don't know what football league you follow but 40 catches and 346 yards is nothing special in the NFL. That's just a guy.

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Yeah, we certainly don't have a foundation you could build around with that list that's for fucking sure. They gotta be bad picks I mean, Mangini picked them and has done nothing in the history of his life worth a shit. I just randomly tossed out a bunch of names hoping they would stick and they clearly didn't. Zero redeeming qualities in the bunch.

Man fuck that Eric Mangini, I wanna switch sides now. Fuck him and all his solid players he brought in here that contributed.

What has EM done worth a shit in the NFL really? Losing record, fired from two jobs? Look at what you can point solely to EM and tell me where the great picks are. Mack and? You clearly did throw out names as great foundation and hoped they'd stick. Especially since the majority of good players who have done more than just show potential can't be pinned soley to EM like you tried to do.

[Masters]

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

We know how you like to make things up Masters. Please go ahead and show us the documents issued by the league stating that those things did in fact happen. Some quotes ...something. Or are you being a media parrot again, and relying on those fantastical "sources" that you are so fond of ripping into me about?

I already posted the "reports" (you should really learn what that word means too). You just like to ignore them and pretend they weren't out there because it might ruin you Beiber-crush on Magini. When you going to put up the actual report about the secretary?

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

You and your merry band of witch hunters have been bashing the Browns staff and making this place miserable for two straight years. 1 game and all of you nancies are just outraged by the injustice of it all. Truly comical.

Oh you and your comical witch hunters. If you used that half a brain of yours you'd recall I defended the EM hire and the team in for a good part of 2009. You and your conspiracy bullshit since mid last season has made this place miserable.

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

Year 3. Another draft under our belt, another offseason, more free agents ...a 2nd year QB, consistency at QB. You damned well better believe we expect VAST improvement after pulling the plug on a rebuild that was already showing us dividends.

We all expected vast improvement. What the rebuild plug was pulled on didn't show vast dividends. Unless being an old ass team, going 5-11 again, looking just as inept on O, blowing games with a lead in the 4th, making same bad coaching mistakes late in games, and still getting run all over is your idea of vast improvement.

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

You guys that want to compare what Murmur has to what Mangini had are a funny bunch.

Who are these "you guys". I haven't even made that comparison. But there you go just lumping people all together. You probably think all white people can't dance, all blacks like fried chicken, all mexicans mow lawns, and all asians can't drive too (okay that last one is true).

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

Again, we'll see how it all plays out, I'm not willing to tolerate another reset ...sorry.

You really don't have any choice in the matter. If you feel you have to tolerate anything to do with an entertainment product you need to come back to the real world.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

Originally Posted by Masters

I already posted the "reports" (you should really learn what that word means too). You just like to ignore them and pretend they weren't out there because it might ruin you Beiber-crush on Magini. When you going to put up the actual report about the secretary?

You didn't post any such thing. Lies. You posted fluff from "journalists" who's unknown "sources" told them something that they hope might stick. Get real.

And again, try to read this slowly ...I said it was "alleged" that Kokinas was screwing the secretary. I know you said you looked up the definition, but here ..just in case :

al·legedadjective /əˈlejd/ 

(of an incident or a person) Said, without proof, to have taken place.

Now see if you can wrap your mind around the FACT that I used the word alleged, and that it in FACT means there is NO PROOF. Jesus.

Originally Posted by Masters

You and your conspiracy bullshit since mid last season has made this place miserable.

My conspiracy shit? I thought Mangini would be retained for a 3rd year. LMFAO And according to PMs we traded last year, it wasn't me at all making this place miserable. Have anyone on ignore? I know it's not me.

Originally Posted by Masters

We all expected vast improvement. What the rebuild plug was pulled on didn't show vast dividends. Unless being an old ass team, going 5-11 again, looking just as inept on O, blowing games with a lead in the 4th, making same bad coaching mistakes late in games, and still getting run all over is your idea of vast improvement.

Statements like this really just make me wonder how much you really know about this game. I believe you know must quite a bit after being a fan for so long, which again just brings me back to the idea of you being a media parrot and your hatred for Mangini. You want to throw record out there as if it means a damned thing when Mangini had to dismantle nearly the entire team, completely change the entire culture of the organization, and basically start all over. You don't want to give credit where it is due, only sling mud and come up with reasons why someone is a total, epic failure. You want to bring up nonsense like "old ass team" as if you are insinuating these players were brought in for their talent, rather than to build a culture, mentor the few young studs we had, and help to turn around the festering lump of shit this organization had become over the years ..nor do you offer who we could have brought in instead that would have helped us more. Mangini was building towards the future and trying to teach the team ...we had very little talent, young or old and I laugh at you guys who think one totally dismantles a disgrace of a franchise and turns it around in 2 years.

I would have expected 10 wins out of Mangini this year with this schedule, and had he opened up the season with a game like Sunday ...I would be lacing his ass. Holmgren fired Mangini due to the "record" as he stated over and over. We're supposed to be taking several steps forward by getting rid of the horror, dead weight, idiotic, no-talent, under achieving coach that Mangini was, so I am waiting to see it.

I just love how people want to vent for 2 days over a absolute debacle of a game, a hugely disappointing start, and you want to sit here and argue about it, and try to make them feel inferior somehow? As if we weren't all expecting more, ESPECIALLY the Mangini haters?!

Sorry, but I am going to vent, and be frustrated, and wonder what might have been ..and you can't do damned thing about it except bluster.

Have fun with it.

[Masters]

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

You didn't post any such thing. Lies. You posted fluff from "journalists" who's unknown "sources" told them something that they hope might stick. Get real.

Didn't realize guys like Mort, Peter King, and others are "journalists". I'd kind of save those quotations for OBR guys. Things I put up even had quotes from other executives in the league.

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

And again, try to read this slowly ...I said it was "alleged" that Kokinas was screwing the secretary. I know you said you looked up the definition, but here ..just in case :

Now see if you can wrap your mind around the FACT that I used the word alleged, and that it in FACT means there is NO PROOF. Jesus.

You didn't even use the word alleged until you told me to look up the meaning.

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

My conspiracy shit? I thought Mangini would be retained for a 3rd year. LMFAO And according to PMs we traded last year, it wasn't me at all making this place miserable. Have anyone on ignore? I know it's not me.

Yes your conspiracy shit. You know throwing out "agenda", "out to get him", "witch hunt", or "hater" at anyone who says anything bad about EM regardless of when, where, why, or about what.

Not sure which PMs you are refering too, but just came at me saying "You and your merry band of witch hunters have been bashing the Browns staff and making this place miserable for two straight years. 1 game and all of you nancies are just outraged by the injustice of it all. Truly comical."

I certainly didn't get any PMs telling me I was making the place miserable either. But if you are going to come with hyperbole like that (I sweat you were just telling me how I only use that...) you are going to get it right back.

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

Statements like this really just make me wonder how much you really know about this game. I believe you know must quite a bit after being a fan for so long, which again just brings me back to the idea of you being a media parrot and your hatred for Mangini. You want to throw record out there as if it means a damned thing when Mangini had to dismantle nearly the entire team, completely change the entire culture of the organization, and basically start all over. You don't want to give credit where it is due, only sling mud and come up with reasons why someone is a total, epic failure. You want to bring up nonsense like "old ass team" as if you are insinuating these players were brought in for their talent, rather than to build a culture, mentor the few young studs we had, and help to turn around the festering lump of shit this organization had become over the years ..nor do you offer who we could have brought in instead that would have helped us more. Mangini was building towards the future and trying to teach the team ...we had very little talent, young or old and I laugh at you guys who think one totally dismantles a disgrace of a franchise and turns it around in 2 years.

I would have expected 10 wins out of Mangini this year with this schedule, and had he opened up the season with a game like Sunday ...I would be lacing his ass. Holmgren fired Mangini due to the "record" as he stated over and over. We're supposed to be taking several steps forward by getting rid of the horror, dead weight, idiotic, no-talent, under achieving coach that Mangini was, so I am waiting to see it.

I just love how people want to vent for 2 days over a absolute debacle of a game, a hugely disappointing start, and you want to sit here and argue about it, and try to make them feel inferior somehow? As if we weren't all expecting more, ESPECIALLY the Mangini haters?!

Sorry, but I am going to vent, and be frustrated, and wonder what might have been ..and you can't do damned thing about it except bluster.

Have fun with it.

You'll have to forgive me if I count record as part of improvement like the rest of the NFL world. What don't you point out the "vast" improvements you were pointing to.

You'd be lacing EMs ass? Didn't see you lacing his ass for JAX or BUF games last year? Maybe I missed them, but I have never seen you lace his ass for any of the four 4th QTR losses with the lead last season or at any time.

You are slinging just as much mud

Just giving my bluster in response to yours. I have given Mangini credit for several things. If you'd take the time to not lump everyone into a catagory as soon as something negative was said of your man crush you'd see that. And dont' give me that media parrot thing as it's hardly reality about me. Not to mention you do the same damn thing with just other media people you use.