Just for fun : Daboll vs. Shurmur

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

How so? We haven't had two good drafts in a row since I was kid dreaming about banging my favorite teacher.

see my post 1 hour prior to your post.

or search my posts and see i've been saying this for awhile.

speaking of good drafts....

when Savage traded back up into the first round for Quinn i was elated, thought we hit the motherlode.

Ever since then i'm kind of ho hum, unless they become starters. The past 2 years our drafts are becoming starters. We still have alot of room for starters just not as many.

I've also said we should of traded Vickers for something and still think if we could get something for Cribbs we should. The sell high method does help stock your roster with the right guys drafting.

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by hammertime

see my post 1 hour prior to your post.

or search my posts and see i've been saying this for awhile.

speaking of good drafts....

when Savage traded back up into the first round for Quinn i was elated, thought we hit the motherlode.

Ever since then i'm kind of ho hum, unless they become starters. The past 2 years our drafts are becoming starters. We still have alot of room for starters just not as many.

I've also said we should of traded Vickers for something and still think if we could get something for Cribbs we should. The sell high method does help stock your roster with the right guys drafting.

Why in the hell would you want to get rid of Josh Cribbs?

[Enigmatic Evil]

Yeah lets trade one of the FEW offensive playmakers we have with any kind of explosive skill. That's a great idea. Sorry Hammer, but I don't agree with that one. I've been saying since the off-season that we need to incorporate Cribbs more in our offense as a WR and he had some great plays on sunday, including that TD catch that support my feelings.

[hiwaygal]

I can kinda understand hammer's point - what if we could get a 1st and a 2nd and some other stuff out of Cribbs? Is that even possible?

Cribbs is fantabulous and I think him being gone would sort of take a piece of our hearts, BUT...what if that was the difference between 5-11 and 14-2 and a ticket to the SB?

Kinda like the Shaun Rogers thing (although his situation was a bit different)...

HELL NO I don't want to trade him, but I can see a scenario where he might prove more valuable to the team as trade bait.

***disclaimer - I had my wisdom teeth pulled today so I think I'm dumber now. And the drugs probably aren't helping much either. LOLOL

[Sez.EJ]

When Cribbs was just a special teamer struggling at WR..I may have said yes to the idea of a trade. But so far this year he is making valuable contributions as a WR.. So no way do we trade him. He's still a game changer on special teams too. That and I don't think we would get good value for him as he is not yet polished as a wr and seen more of a special teams guy.. so I doublt we would get fair value.. He is worth far more on our own roster IMO. His returns were a big reason for us winning the Colts game. 2 of his long returns put us in field position where we scored TD's.

[Riffer X]

We may want to get rid of that pesky Joe Thomas and Joe Haden while we are at it. Perhaps we can package them all for a couple firsts and a second.

Sometimes I think I live in a bizarro world all too much.

[hiwaygal]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

We may want to get rid of that pesky Joe Thomas and Joe Haden while we are at it. Perhaps we can package them all for a couple firsts and a second.

Sometimes I think I live in a bizarro world all too much.

Well, maybe the right side of our Oline wouldn't look so bad if we didn't have a pro-bowler on the left.

GOTCHA!!!

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

When Cribbs was just a special teamer struggling at WR..I may have said yes to the idea of a trade. But so far this year he is making valuable contributions as a WR.. So no way do we trade him. He's still a game changer on special teams too. That and I don't think we would get good value for him as he is not yet polished as a wr and seen more of a special teams guy.. so I doublt we would get fair value.. He is worth far more on our own roster IMO. His returns were a big reason for us winning the Colts game. 2 of his long returns put us in field position where we scored TD's.

Well, his peers that watch film to prepare for him on Sundays also know when he lines up to cover punts and kickoffs, he's one of the best in the business. THAT takes alot out of a guy especially after running routes on 2-3 consecutive plays before that. Ever watch a punt coverage gunner working through double press at the line of scrimage? It takes a pretty special player to be one of the best at that, which is why I never buy into how much one 200 pound corner can overwhelm Cribbs when it's time to run routes. Cribbs also does other blue collar things like throw blocks and tackle interceptors. Not only that, the guy does unparalleled charity in the community; so I didn't understand why it was soooo uncool and unpopular to hope the new staff delivered the right niche to him. I sure got an earful for telling people I'd like to see what he could do in a WCO though.

It's not like every great athlete that was a running QB in college can part time learning WR with 5 other functions to master and expect the WR thing to take off. Truth is he never played 1 down as a WR while all other young Wrs he has been compared with were perfecting route running in college. Essentially, he's the LAST guy that can part time learning such a complex position and expect him to look well experienced. If one detested all the previous offensive coaches here, they know he hasn't been fulltiming WR here ever. This isn't as easy as taking a Jevon Kearse from MLB in college to saying sic em out of a 3 point stance. There's so much more to learn and know aginst complicated LeBeau blitz schemes.

As for our passing game, last year at this time we were watching Delhomme and Wallace trying to orchestrate the forward pass against some early opponents that were heading for double digit wins like TB, Atl and KC. Our leading receivers were Watson with 68 receptions and Hillis with 60 receptions reminding me we were about to go WR as early as round 2. If memory serves me right, I was the first person posting how much Julio Jones improved in 2010 which was well before the coming out party at the combines. It was very encouraging to see Greg Little stepping up on the most important drive of the Miami game. It certainly helped his QB. I think his addition to the corps makes better opportunities for Cribbs and MoMass. We may not have a traditional #1 WR in the house per say; but I think we have more good ones to pay attention to than we've had. SOME of those are guys we already had with just MORE experience.

For the most part, we have a better QB trying to overcome inexperience, RT turbulence and a brand new offense. Therefore, we've been spotty and streaky with the success. If we have the right QB, the next Brian Sipe can make a minimum of 70,000 fans forget the first 58 minutes of football. When Randy Cross of all people reminded me of that on Sunday, it might have been the first game I liked listening to him at least in some instances.

[Thaid_Up]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

When Cribbs was just a special teamer struggling at WR..I may have said yes to the idea of a trade. But so far this year he is making valuable contributions as a WR.. So no way do we trade him. He's still a game changer on special teams too. That and I don't think we would get good value for him as he is not yet polished as a wr and seen more of a special teams guy.. so I doublt we would get fair value.. He is worth far more on our own roster IMO. His returns were a big reason for us winning the Colts game. 2 of his long returns put us in field position where we scored TD's.

Agree 100% Sez. Now that we're running this new system there's gonna be more balls coming his way and he's showing he can make the catches. And the guy just plays hard all day. No way do we trade this guy.

[Sez.EJ]

It appears I am not the only one who sees a problem with Miami's OC. This is from a Florida Newspaper.

Reggie Bush did not line up as a receiver once in Sunday's loss to the Browns. Palm Beach Post

The Dolphins continue to misread Bush's talents. They tried him as a feature back in Week 1 and that failed. Now he's just a change-of-pace complement to Daniel Thomas and nothing more. Until the Dolphins get him involved in the passing game.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

Just to end this debate, here you go:

Summary - Daboll wins by a mile with a backup QB nobody ever heard of, and a coach who was a dead man walking. Bright, young OC with a bright future. The grass is not always greener.


3rd AFC East (6-10-0)
Pts
20.6
(20th)


YDS
317.4
(22nd)


PASS YDS
193.2
(23rd)


RUSH YDS
124.2
(11th)

(league rank)

TOTAL FIRST DOWNS	287
FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty)	89 - 166 - 32
THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS	69/207
FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS	6/16
TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS	5078
OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards)	990 - 5.1
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS	1987
RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards)	469 - 4.2
TOTAL PASSING YARDS	3091
PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg)	280 - 469 - 13 - 7.3
SACKS	41
FIELD GOALS	33/39
TOUCHDOWNS	33
(Rushing-Passing-Returns-Defensive)	11 - 20 - 0 - 2
TIME OF POSSESSION	30:37
TURNOVER RATIO	-6

4th AFC North (4-12-0)
PTS
13.6
(30th)

YDS
288.8
(29th)

PASS YDS
193.1
(24th)

RUSH YDS
95.7
(28th)

(league rank)

TOTAL FIRST DOWNS	278
FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty)	77 - 173 - 28
THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS	92/238
FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS	10/18
TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS	4621
OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards)	1024 - 4.5
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS	1531
RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards)	415 - 3.7
TOTAL PASSING YARDS	3090
PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg)	320 - 570 - 13 - 5.8
SACKS	32
FIELD GOALS	24/29
TOUCHDOWNS	21
(Rushing-Passing-Returns-Defensive)	4 - 16 - 1 - 0
TIME OF POSSESSION	29:14
TURNOVER RATIO	+1

[Enigmatic Evil]

Pretty much not even close, but Miami's offense overall was better than ours and they proved it in the game we played them with Henne at QB (Matt Moore lit it up at Carolina but weak offensive talent exploited his flaws and he eventually found his home again on the bench. Maybe history will repeat itself in Miami)

If Daboll has a job in the NFL next year, maybe we should do another compare/contrast to see if there's any growth with Shurmur and further salt in the wound to be so inferior to Daboll given the overwhelming shitstorm we gave Daboll the last two years.