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[Masters]

Originally Posted by Enigmatic Evil

We didn't even get average tackle play, mind you. Cousins isn't a tackle. I thought he was a guard and he was routinely beat all fucking game long on the right side, that explains why we also couldn't get any push on the line for the running game.

I hope we are going to head to Indy with a renewed focus and preparation. HOPE.

Cousins was a RT before CLE signed him. He wasn't getting beat quite as routinely as Hicks was when he was playing RT. Not to say Cousins was playing really well or anything.

[nickers]

Originally Posted by Flugel

I thought about you being in Cleveland on Sunday. I wished Evan Moore played better for you. That said, I think MoMass HAD to be a pleasant surprise. Did you see how many yards he had that corner beat by when McCoy had to run for his life around the unblocked DE (Dunlap) chasing him almost all the way to the sidelines before McCoy threw across his body during tan allout sprint for the huge gain? The throw was VERY underthrown and hung up there to the extent of us being lucky MoMass came all the way back to close on it. if you get a chance to watch the replay of the entire play, it'll show you the significance a tackle plays in the timing of allowing his QB to hit his receiver in stride for a TD or what Mccoy needed to resort to just to make it happen.

Tell you what, there was a TON to address but the ONLY area I feel is an inexcusable negligence is Right Tackle. Guess what one of our first round picks will be in 2012? Screw these recycled OTs with too much mileage or wear and tear. Been there, been there, been there, been there, been there, still there.

This may sound really crackpipe but listen to the rationale before laughing too hard. I THINK Pinkston is better suited to handle pass rushing minded DEs in a passing league today. He had the feet and agility to not just play left tackle in college but to play it at an All Conference Level. ALOT of these NFL DEs don't weigh as much as the BIGGER 340 pound DTs currently outweighing Pinkston inside. Meanwhile, Hicks or Cousins seem better suited to play against the girthier DTs inside. I just think Pinkston has the best athleticism we have to challenge the Carlos Dunlap types off the edge. I see RT as a much better fit than LG. For run blocking purposes, wouldn't you rather have Pinkston outweighing the guy across from him?

Flugerz...Again,succinctly put. Well observed and orated in your post. I just dont think Pashos can play without getting banged up anymore...And thats sad...But by Gods grace I only hope he proves Me W-R-O-N-G.

[Flugel]

Thanks Masters and Nickers! That was really good insight from Masters about the corner losing sight of MoMass on the broken play. Like we were talking about regarding the RT significance, our WRs NEED to trust that these guys are going to protect McCoy good enough to where they can run their routes without feeling they have to look back all the way throughout the route. There was also a quick slant route in the Philly game where Robo broke open past the 1st down marker; but McCoy was immediately flushed out of pocket to his left causing Robiskie to adjust and come BACK into traffic to make the reception well shy of the first down. Then it was 4th down and time to punt. No protection even on a plan to quickly throw the ball on a short QB dropback screws up timing and WHERE catches have to be made.
Again, that point Masters made about the corner not being worried about getting beat DEEP when McCoy had to run sideways for his life really reminds us that all cylinders of an engine need to work for it to run. I wasn't even considering WHY MoMass was so wide open so I'm glad he brought that to my attention. That said, Def Coordinators will be pointing this out on film to their secondaries. Meanwhile, we're always going to get that fan that says Peyton = great blocking upfront as if he's always available to 31 other teams. In reality, we don't play indoors and we haven't had Bill Polian drafting here for 15 consecutive years to be prepared for the loss of starters (especially 2 starting olinemen). Nor do we have an experienced Marshall Faulk with 4.2 speed to dump off to or Marvin Harrison. Nothing similar about it except maybe a potential for 28 INTs and more losses than wins for a young QB working his way through his 1st 16 NFL starts.

When our 2010 plan was to upgrade St Clair at RT with a bunch of pesos for Pashos (always injured elsewhere) - guess who we're left looking at when he predictably can't answer the bell? St Clair -or- this year's version getting cut from another team. I'm hoping this will improve and they strongly consider putting some athletic feet at RT via Pinkston. That's life in the NFL on smaller ative rosters - original plans don't always equate to sensible internship lengths. If we keep a statue at RT, don't plan on many 5-7 step dropbacks for deep throws in 2011. The way we can protect our LG (hope it's Cousins after reading how bad Washington's oline was in 2010) is by closing the splits between our lienmen bringing them closer together.

It'll be interesting to see the former Michigan State Center (Shurmur) working with George Warhop to solve what looks to be the biggest challenge to our season in replacing 2 injured starters up front.

[Brown Warrior]

Shurmur says Pinkston and Mack got the highest line grades last Sunday. Pinkston turning into a long-term starter would be great news. The two RTs, however, allowed 7 QB pressures and Lauvao kept jumping offsides.

You have to figure Lauvao will get over the yips, but the Browns probably need to choose their guy at RT (Hicks, I'm guessing) and stick with him.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Shurmur says Pinkston and Mack got the highest line grades last Sunday. Pinkston turning into a long-term starter would be great news. The two RTs, however, allowed 7 QB pressures and Lauvao kept jumping offsides.

You have to figure Lauvao will get over the yips, but the Browns probably need to choose their guy at RT (Hicks, I'm guessing) and stick with him.

Very good pont about the false starts Shep. Our oline (inclusive of Joe Thomas) had 3 of them leading to 3rd and a mile then punt. If that was a road game there prolly would have been more starts. The disturbing part of the game was we had 7 penalties just a minute or 2 into the 2nd quarter. That's the stuff that loses close games. IMO, it was only a 3 point loss. That Benson run when we desperately stacked the line of scrimmage to stop Cincy wouldn't have happened vrs our base defense. The SICKEST part of the loss was the bullshit play they scored on. SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE, on our organization needed the wherewithall to notice a time out was needed when we were in the huddle and Cincy was in formation ready to snap the ball. LITTLE things snowball and they always have here. The first organization to get all that right won't be reading hate mail. In fairness, it was the first game and there were NO OTAs for a completely new offense and a completely new defense.

I'd STILL move Pinkston to tackle or we're NEVER going to see this passing game we so desperately want. Those QB sprints out of the pocket vrs untouched DEs are going to lead to way more INTs than we want regardless of how much talent our QB promises if there's some degree of protection. If Indy puts Freeney over our RT, it won't be pretty. It looks like they're going to have to resort to some smoke and mirrors stuff they aren't accustomed to this year. I HATE it when the Browns are favored (ie: last week).

[Brown Warrior]

We should've done more at RT. I know somebody's gonna say I should shut up like a Dixie Chick or something... but it's true.

[Crow]

If the Browns current regime fails, like blows up into tiny bits, Holmgren, Heckert, Shumur all fail and are fired in the next three years...I think I would stop caring about football for awhile. We just, as an organization and a team and a fanbase, would be like scorched earth. After a nuke hit it. And a homeless guy's turd ontop of it.

[Sez.EJ]

Training camp week 9 .. lookining better.