Colt McCoy can be the next Drew Brees per Trent Dilfer

[Tobalaz]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Well... defense hasn't been winning championships. ......
Uhhhh... okay. There isn't much more to say. Be blissfully out of touch. Why not.

Shep's 3 monkies...
Hear no defense
Speak no defense
See no defense

Say the mantra with me...
Oline look like shit?
Draft a qb
Running game look like shit?
Draft a qb
Receivers look like shit?
Draft a qb
Defense look like shit?
Draft a qb
Qb look like shit?
Draft a qb
Franchise qbs only come from the first round, so unless you're sure you've got one draft a qb every year in the first round till you find one.

[Brown Warrior]

Wow. Let's let this end on that scintillating note, shall we?

[Crow]

i think we should draft a wide receivers

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by Crow

i think we should draft a wide receivers

Yeah, I thought THAT was my great sin?

Always sumpin', as Rich might say.

[Greythan]

Edit: I removed a line of this post that I considered a "personal attack" I've also closed this thread, it's gone far enough and deviated FAR off topic.

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I proved earlier in this thread that one playoff team's three game playoff run is hardly an example of your thesis. Here’s the analysis of the past 11 Super Bowl winners.

This will likely not be read and digested by most. Its long and I don’t blame you all. So, here’s a synopsis:

Summary: My subjective review of the last 11 championship teams indicated mixed results as to how central the play of the QB was to their success. My analysis has it at 4 teams where the QB was the defining difference, 3 where the QB was absolutely NOT the defining difference and may have actually been a drag on performance, and 4 more where its indecisive.

What comes out of this is that you absolutely can win with "average" QB play. The lone common theme is that the team that gets contributions from all aspects at opportune times seems to win. What has NEVER been debated is that your odds of winning by having a top 10 QB or better goes up. I haven’t heard one consenting opinion on that debate. However, to ignore evidence like the reduced role Brady and Roethlisberger played in their respective first wins is just ignorant. Almost as ignorant as giving Eli Manning the lion’s share of the credit for the Giants stunning upset of the juggernaut Patriots. Its a failure to actually analyze the game and fall victim to rhetoric.

Enjoy the summaries, debate, dismiss, whatever you wish to do:

11 years ago, the 2000 (2001 Super Bowl) world champs were led by a strong defense and running game and carried Trent Dilfer to the Super Bowl. (Yeah, I know 11 years is ANCIENT history.) Score: 0-1 against Shep.

10 years ago, the 2001 world champs were led by a first year starter and won the super bowl. Tom Brady’s season stats that year? 18/12 TD/INT for a QB rating of 86.5. Hardly epic. His playoff stats? 62% completion rate, 1 TD, 1 INT, and a rating of 77.3. Tom Brady was named MVP in spite of posting 16/27 for 145 yards and 1 TD. Meanwhile, NE’s defense held the opposing playoff teams to scores of 13, 17, and 17. Yup, Brady is the CLEAR reason for this win. Score: 0-2

9 years ago, the 2002 champs were led by Brad Johnson. The bi-line for him in Tampa’s Super Bowl domination of Oakland (final score 48-21)? From the AP story, “The Buccaneers' defense intercepted five passes, three of which were returned for touchdowns, and recorded five sacks as Tampa Bay scored 34 unanswered points en route to its first Super Bowl victory.” Again, epic QB was the secret to this championship. Score: 0-3

8 years ago, the 2003 champs were led by a more established Brady. His regular season rating was 85.9 and his post season rating was similar (84.5). He did post a 5/2 TD/INT ratio in the playoffs and was a key to their success. However, the first two rounds saw Brady post passer ratings of 73.3 and 76.1 with a TD/INT count of 2/1. In both wins, the NE defense held the opponents to 14 points. I’ll give you a push on this one, Score: 0-3-1

7 years ago, the 2004 champs were led by a fully emerged Tom Brady. This time his play was absolutely a cornerstone to their run. He posted a playoff QB rating of 109.4 including a TD/INT ratio of 5/0 in the three game run. However, its worth noting that the NE defense played a huge role in getting out of the first round of the playoffs as Brady posted a 18-27 for 144 yard game while the defense held the Colts to 3 points for the game. Chalk this one up to the QB. Score: 1-3-1

6 years ago, the 2005 champs were led by a 2^nd year QB named Ben. He has a great regular season by passer rating (98.6) and stayed consistent in the playoff with a 101.7. However, the Steelers defense that year held 5 teams to single digit scores during the regular season and Ben only averaged about 18 passing attempts per game. Finally, after going 9 for 21 for 123 yards with no TD’s and a 2 picks in the Super Bowl, this is what the AP had to say: “Bettis, with 43 yards on 14 carries, had a minimal role in what was the final game for the NFL's No. 5 career rusher. So did quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. The most noteworthy play for the youngest quarterback to win a Super Bowl was a horrid pass that Kelly Herndon of the Seahawks (15-4) returned a record 76 yards.” Hell, Antwaan Randle El threw the only TD pass for the Steelers that day. We’ll go tie on this one as well, Score: 1-3-2

5 years ago, the 2006 champs were led by a future HOF’er in Peyton Manning. He had an epic regular season going for a passer rating of 101.0 and a TD/INT count of 31/9. However, in the playoffs his passer rating dropped precipitously (70.5) and his TD/INT count fell to a horrid 3/7. So, how did the Colts managed to win four games in the playoffs to secure Peyton’s first championship? Well, their defense held their first two opponents to 8 and 6 points respectively. Peyton returned the defense’s favor in the championship game by leading his team back from a big hole AND posting an 80 yard game winning drive. In the Super Bowl, the Colts defense made the defining play of the game when Kelvin Hardin picked off an ill-advised pass from the Bear’s Grossman and returned it 56 yards for a game-changing TD. Peyton's Peyton, but he was the reason this team won, Score: 1-3-3

4 years ago, the 2007 champs were led by Eli Manning. As we’ve covered endlessly here Eli got hot in the playoffs. However, its worth noting what the Giants’ defense did. IN the four game playoff run, the defense held opponents to 14, 17, 20 (OT), and 14 points. This includes shutting down the most prolific passing attack we’ve ever seen in the 2007 Brady-led Patriots. (You know, the one who posted a 50/8 TD/INT count?). Sorry, I’m going tie on this one which is, again, charitable for your cause, Score: 1-3-4

3 years ago, the 2008 champs were led by Ben R again. His regular season that year? A middling 80.1 rating with a 17/15 TD/INT score. Playoffs? Improved to a 91.6 with 3 TD’s in 3 games against only one INT. The definition of game manager. They won their opener behind Willie Parker’s 146 yards. Rivers was by far the better QB that day. The next week? The Steelers held the Ravens to 198 yards of TOTAL offense. Ben was credited for being “steady”. Super Bowl? Ben led a game winning TD drive. Huge. I’ll give you this one too for Ben’s late game heroics, but a seed of doubt has to there for any objective fan, Score: 2-3-4

2 years ago, the 2009 champs were led by Brees who was epic from the start of the season right through the Super Bowl. Score another for Shep’s theory, Score: 3-3-4

Last year, the 2010 champs were led by the coming-out-party-boy Aaron Rodgers. 101 regular season passer rating that he elevated to a 109.8 in the playoffs. Clearly, a case for Shep. An interesting side note is the NFC championship game last year. Rodgers was 17 of 30 for 244 with no TD’s and 2 INT’s for a passer rating of 55.4. However, the Pack’s defense held Chicago to 14 points and contributed a “pick-6” for their own score in route to a 21-14 Packer victory. Score another for Shep’s theory, Score: 4-3-4.