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| That is the whole problem right there. When you have a running back like Hillis that completely destroys people when he hits them, and it's 4th and 1, you don't give it to Armond Smith. The lack of focus by the team in certain situations doesn't help either. Shurmur needs to step it up. However, I do like how they did motion Smith out of the backfield today. Pat challenged McCoy, but I think he needs to call himself out. He needs to understand WHAT he has on this team and get the best usage out of his players. Armond Smith on 4th and 1 when you have Hillis is not the best usage.
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Well, it's complicated. Almost every offense is either WCO or looks an awful lot like it, with quicker, safer passes as the bread and butter. That's why completion percentage and QBR are way up and INTs are way down. BUT... the Packers play the WCO. So do the Eagles. And if you haven't watched Favre, McNabb, Vick, or Rodgers go deep often and well? Get a TV. Prices are awesome, even on the big flatscreens. Montana went over the top plenty to Rice, too. It is an offense where you're gonna throw a lot of quick slants and expect your QB to complete 65 percent on the season. You're gonna want some receivers who can take it in stride and gain some YAC. But the WCO has evolved and been interpreted and reinterpreted a lot over the past 30 years. |
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Newsflash - I not only have a tv, but a 55" screen HDTV. I've watched a lot of football. I don't want a QB like Vick. Aside from my personal distaste of him and his nasty habit of whining, he RUNS TOO DAMN MUCH! If a QB is going deep and often, then they are not playing based on the basic premises of the WCO - or they are making up for NOT having the right pieces at the other positions (i.e. RB). Guess it depends on the OC. Could be they are capitalizing on their strengths AND weaknesses as well as the weaknesses of their opponents. Of course, with the possible exception of Vick, they've all had a whole lot more time to develop their games than our own QB has. |
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Okay all those faces make it hard to read. What happened? Anyways I tried and i'll try to explain. The WCO as used by Walsh came to be because the Bungals had a noodle armed QB. He designed short, high % throws for said QB(I want to say Virgil Carter?) to make. It worked. Teams had a hard time stopped those WCO QB's who already had the ball in their WR's hands by the time they finished dropping back. Eventually however teams finally caught onto how to stop it and control it, LB's and DB's got faster and better with coverage skills and the passrush became more pronounced. I'll take heat for saying it again but that WCO is dead. It is obsolete. The game has changed and caught up to it and the days of dinking and dunking up and down the field 2-5 yards at a time with a lasting, sustained success rate are over. Hardly anyone uses the old school Walsh WCO anymore, they've adapted it to the other philosophies in football and created a mix. In the modern NFL game you've gotta be able to open up multiple parts of the field. You don't have to open up the field 60 yards deep but you at LEAST have to be able to open up the 25-30 yards that are in front of you. Opposing D's have to know if they stack the box you'll toss it in the breadbasket 30 yards down field and make them eat it. As this is a thread defending McFrye and asking why people are down on him simply put: Aside from being as mentally weak as Sean Penn he cannot open up the field. If this were the 1980's McFrye would be a fucking beast and torching those slow assed DB's. It however isn't. He HAS to open up the field and make those passes 20, 30 yards down the field and COMPLETE them. He isn't even TRYING to make the damn throws, he's checking down to his closest targets 2-5 yards in front of him and here and there throwing it 10 yards. That doesn't work in Today's NFL. Now, do teams have film on him causing a drop off in production? Absolutely they do. They're seeing what many of us are seeing, that McFrye has a minuscule window in front of him where he is comfortable(2-5), a window he is lesser comfortable in(5-12) and a window he has a fear of(20+). He also as the announcers said is only really comfortable throwing into the middle. He looks nervous throwing anywhere else, another issue that further limits our throwing area. The announcers blame it on not trusting his WR's, I disagree. He doesn't trust himself. Anyways yeah his play diminishing since last season IS because teams are getting film. Unless we change it up and he can get his head into it we're going to see it diminishing further still. The other issue that still hasn't been fixed despite being a day one fix is he's staring down his WR's way too much. Anyways it boils down to this: To be a success they need to somehow quickly coach him up to open the field, get some zip on his intermediate passes(as well as accuracy), nip this staring down the targets in the bud and get him to stop dumping it off because we cannot take a pass on several promising prospects with twice the natural ability in the hopes he gets it together in year 2 or 3. Especially not when you have an extra first rounder. Maybe he will somehow turn it around and in the next two months turn into Bret Favre but I won't be holding my breath and I as well as others are taking it that we'll need to draft the right guy next year and chalk it up as a 3rd rounder that didn't quite pan out. It's not the end of the world and it's not a big deal, these things happen. |
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King, you're right on, and that scares me: That DC just said what you said, that if you defense McCoy's short game you don't have to worry about a long game because he doesn't have one. Lombardi on NFLN feels the same way, that the Browns should've been looking QB in THIS draft.
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Interestingly KoK, I don't disagree with much of what you said. Sorry about the type faces - some of the post was cut and pasted from multiple sources and in the Word version looked all the same...but it didn't translate well into the message board world. Quote:
Anyway, I agree, for the most part with what I quoted (taking out the obvious personal issue you have against our QB). He does need to make quicker decisions and he does need to make those long throws. But they don't need to happen on every down. Yes, I agree he has some timing issues right now. I think the lack of OTAs and just so much other crap going on is having a bad effect. He may not feel comfortable right now because of a perceived lack of protection. And, remember, he's only played in 12 games - 4 in this new system. Quote:
And was Brett Favre Brett Favre after 12 games? You are giving up too quickly on him. But I know I'm not going to change your mind. I for one don't expect we'll be taking a QB in the 1st round next year. I will be shocked if we do. We've done that before and it hasn't worked. I'm willing to give this thing more time. |
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