Joe Haden - Get well soon!!!

[Jax Dawg]

Here is hoping Joe Haden recovers soon from his sprained knee. Last week was painful to watch Patterson line up 12-15 yards off his man which made it easy for Oakland to get 7-12 yards easily any and every time they needed it. The quick hits to the outside never gave our DL a chance to get to Campbell/Boller and made them look better than they really are.

I know Heywood-Bey is a burner but come on, he did this against everyone he lined up against. I guess getting burnt a few times last year got in his head? I think with safety help deep Patterson should have played a lot closer.

Throughout the game I kept having painful flashbacks to the miserable corner backs the Browns had for most of the 2000's who did the exact same thing and got picked on game after game, year after year.

Get well soon Joe, we need you!

[hiwaygal]

Originally Posted by Jax Dawg

Get well soon Joe, we need you!

Yeah! What he said!

[Thaid_Up]

Originally Posted by Jax Dawg

Here is hoping Joe Haden recovers soon from his sprained knee. Last week was painful to watch Patterson line up 12-15 yards off his man which made it easy for Oakland to get 7-12 yards easily any and every time they needed it. The quick hits to the outside never gave our DL a chance to get to Campbell/Boller and made them look better than they really are.

I know Heywood-Bey is a burner but come on, he did this against everyone he lined up against. I guess getting burnt a few times last year got in his head? I think with safety help deep Patterson should have played a lot closer.

Throughout the game I kept having painful flashbacks to the miserable corner backs the Browns had for most of the 2000's who did the exact same thing and got picked on game after game, year after year.

Get well soon Joe, we need you!

If I wasn't so old I'd offer either one of my knees. He can't get back soon enough. Just hope he doesn't rush it. Team MVP right now

[Jax Dawg]

Joe tested the knee Friday in practice, said it felt pretty good. Said the coaches left it up to him on wether he should play or not, will be a game time decision.

Cornerback Joe Haden tests out knee in practice: Cleveland Browns Insider | cleveland.com

[Enigmatic Evil]

I think this defense needs Joe Haden. Patterson is not a starter, I'm sorry, I don't even think he's better than Sheldon Brown. I know other posters were skeptical of him when we brought it on but I've seen very few plays made by Patterson. Patterson's made less plays than Sheldon Brown has made botches this season.

Our secondary is a mess behind Haden/TJ Ward/Adams

[Brown Warrior]

Joe Haden is a very, very good corner and our best by a huge margin. But somebody somewhere said the Raiders game really showed how much we need him...

I mean... we DO need him but the Raiders were 14/23 for 150 yards not counting Lechler. Scored most of their points on special teams. They didn't pass often or particularly well because, again, we can't score points and play teams with so-so QBs.

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

Joe Haden is a very, very good corner and our best by a huge margin. But somebody somewhere said the Raiders game really showed how much we need him...

I mean... we DO need him but the Raiders were 14/23 for 150 yards not counting Lechler. Scored most of their points on special teams. They didn't pass often or particularly well because, again, we can't score points and play teams with so-so QBs.

If anyone doubts the value of a great CB like Joe Haden then take a look at this from Pro Football Focus especially the bolded, italicized quote:

Not your above-average Joe
Joe Haden’s importance to the Browns defense is obvious and nobody expected Dimitri Patterson (-4.9) to play as well as he, but the point was really driven home by the Raiders’ quarterbacks all game long. Patterson was actually targeted more than every other player on the Browns defense combined and allowed 10 of the 13 passes thrown his way to be completed, good for 128 yards. He particularly struggled with improving receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey (+1.5), and was graded negatively in coverage on five plays while covering the speedy wideout. It wasn’t the speed of Heyward-Bey that Patterson couldn’t handle, though, it was his route-running. More than once Heyward-Bey received a large cushion from Patterson, only to pick up a quick first down when the quarterback hit him on a short curl route or a break over the middle. Patterson seemed content to sit back on the deeper routes and yield these shorter timing routes all game, whereas Browns fans are used to seeing Haden have the route recognition to come up and disrupt those timing routes. They might have to deal with Patterson’s style of play instead for at least another week as Haden may not be ready for week 7. Oh dear.

[Jax Dawg]

So yes BW, the Raiders were 14/23 for 150 yards vs the Browns but were 10/13 for 128 yards vs Patterson. If that isn't a damning stat on a piss poor coverage corner I don't know what is. Think maybe Haden would of had some sort of impact in this game?

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by Jax Dawg

So yes BW, the Raiders were 14/23 for 150 yards vs the Browns but were 10/13 for 128 yards vs Patterson. If that isn't a damning stat on a piss poor coverage corner I don't know what is. Think maybe Haden would of had some sort of impact in this game?

Ah. Excellent point. Didn't know that.

An example of statistics/truth making an inarguable point!

[Jax Dawg]

Thank you Joe Haden for showing up big today vs Seattle. What a difference tight man coverage, contesting the short throws, and your ability to come up behind the line of scrimmage to make tackles makes to our defense.

IMO his ceiling is much higher than the original dawgs Dixon and Minnifield and has perrenial all-pro written all over him.

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by Jax Dawg

Thank you Joe Haden for showing up big today vs Seattle. What a difference tight man coverage, contesting the short throws, and your ability to come up behind the line of scrimmage to make tackles makes to our defense.

IMO his ceiling is much higher than the original dawgs Dixon and Minnifield and has perrenial all-pro written all over him.

Haden is a badass. I think Patterson is a good player, but his strength is as a nickel slot guy IMO. I didn't think that was interference on Haden there at the end.

[YtownBacker]

A corner like Haden is worth that top pick 10 pick. He took a premier receiver out of the game today and changed what the offense wanted to do.

It's a complete different defense with him in there. Defense stepped up big time today. Haden is the real deal.