Margin of Error for QBs Today

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Masters

I understand the Cam comparison only a little. There are a few major factors in there which make the comparison slightly unfair. One, Cam is a completely different talent than Colt. Frankly he's just got more physical talent, which is why he as a #1 over all pick. Secondly Cam has this guy named Steve Smith who can still run by just about any CB in the league. That makes a world of difference. Teams have to respect the combination of the two.

Have you seen how many higlights where Smith either just ran right by a guy? or better yet. just took a ball away from a defender that Cam just chucked his way? Cam is playing well right now. But if his best reciever was Momass, he'd be watching even more balls getting returned for pick 6s

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Bronx Cheer

This isn't true if you mean to say the Browns have a bad scoring defense. As it is right now, they are #10.
And that number includes two trick play passing TDs and a kick return (neither of which really measure defense). If those are factored out, we are at around #5. Granted, we've played some crappy teams, so maybe the #10 overall is a fair measure.

In any event, the statistical similarities are striking. The big difference in my eyes, however, is that teams aren't playing 8 and nine in the box against Gore b/c Smith has been able to burn them enough. Unless Colt starts pushing the safeties and LBs back, our entire offense, rushing included, is Fgoing to stagnate.

Fair enough. Can't disagree with much other than to say those QB stats are pretty damn even.

[Masters]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

Have you seen how many higlights where Smith either just ran right by a guy? or better yet. just took a ball away from a defender that Cam just chucked his way? Cam is playing well right now. But if his best reciever was Momass, he'd be watching even more balls getting returned for pick 6s

Exactly what my second point was

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Masters

Exactly what my second point was

We sound like Shep now!

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by Bronx Cheer

That right there is why I still have some hope for Colt. He has been scattershot, but hopefully that is due to his improvising and flinging the ball quickly to a guy who has gotten open but is not where he is supposed to be.

So, to summarize, either our QB really sucks, our WRs really suck, or they all suck just a little bit but still enough to screw each other up so bad that our collective passing offense really sucks. I am not sure which scenario to root for.

My current guess: It's something of a perfect storm. Relative to the league, we lack speed at WR and we don't have a quarterback with a big arm. Colt is also REALLY struggling with reading/beating blitzes and in spite of his nice mobility is ranked at or very near the bottom against pressure.

As a result, defenses are going to cluster closer and feel free to blitz until we can make them pay downfield. It'll clog the passing lanes for slants and fucktify the running game.

The result of this perfect storm is that it's decimating McCoy's better qualities, jacking with his mind, his confidence, and his accuracy. He's throwing off his back foot. He's looking at the pressure instead of throwing "into it," as QB coaches prescribe for a blitz.

The best time to flip the board in this chess game is first down: The Browns need to throw downfield on some first downs and actually complete them. Simply has to happen.

[Bronx Cheer]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

Have you seen how many higlights where Smith either just ran right by a guy? or better yet. just took a ball away from a defender that Cam just chucked his way? Cam is playing well right now. But if his best reciever was Momass, he'd be watching even more balls getting returned for pick 6s

Remember when we had a Pro-Bowl TE and WR who made such plays 3-4 times a game and made a pea-brained gunslinger look like a QB? Ah, the good old days.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Brown Warrior

My current guess: It's something of a perfect storm. Relative to the league, we lack speed at WR and we don't have a quarterback with a big arm. Colt is also REALLY struggling with reading/beating blitzes and in spite of his nice mobility is ranked at or very near the bottom against pressure.

As a result, defenses are going to cluster closer and feel free to blitz until we can make them pay downfield. It'll clog the passing lanes for slants and fucktify the running game.

The result of this perfect storm is that it's decimating McCoy's better qualities, jacking with his mind, his confidence, and his accuracy. He's throwing off his back foot. He's looking at the pressure instead of throwing "into it," as QB coaches prescribe for a blitz.

The best time to flip the board in this chess game is first down: The Browns need to throw downfield on some first downs and actually complete them. Simply has to happen.

Just said this in another thread. But I'll repeat it here since I agree with you. and I don't think you even have to complete as many of them as you think. Give Colt a pre-stermined read play. If either outside reciever has 1 on 1, they run a go and you chuck it at them.

They did this last year, and in fact Moore was a favorite target of those.

[Greythan]

This entire thread illustrates why I think its somewhat comical for fans to try and discern "fault".

Is McCoy missing reads or are guys not really open or has Shurmur lost the coaching chess match on that play?

Is McCoy wildly inaccurate (as in 3-4 balls that landed no where near anyone last week) or are receivers not making the correct route adjustment?

Is McCoy missing hot reads against the blitz leading to incompletions/sacks or are receivers not adjusting correctly or is Shurmur losing the play calling chess match?

The one, undeniable thing I saw last week in Oakland that concerned me was McCoy missing spots when throwing to a defined receiver who was open (clear misses).

Everything else is just too damn hard to isolate as QB, receiver, scheme, or protection error. I think we'd need game film and someone from Shurmur's offensive staff to truly diagnose.

So, net-net, we do what we're all doing and watch McCoy and Co progress and hope to see direct, visual improvement.

[Brown Warrior]

Yeah, I think there are CLEARLY times McCoy has been just whiffing and Shurmur has said as much. But I think it's a fair and logical guess that our receivers are contributing to the mess.

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

Just said this in another thread. But I'll repeat it here since I agree with you. and I don't think you even have to complete as many of them as you think. Give Colt a pre-determined read play. If either outside reciever has 1 on 1, they run a go and you chuck it at them.

They did this last year, and in fact Moore was a favorite target of those.

Every time McCoy has done a hot read route the receiver has broken it off and looked around like he just lost a contact. I firmly believe the inside report that these receivers don't know WTF they are doing the majority of the time, just like having two guys in motion at the same time twice in one game.

Now, a lot of that is on the QB too, so I just think that right now it is a combination of a lot of things not clicking. McCoy has to hit the throws when he has them though, that is a priority and must start happening. He needs to get back to his fundamentals and if they need to simplify the playbook, then do it.

I am now convinced that MoMass's high side is as a number three WR. I'd love to get a Blackmon type with Little as number two and Mo number three. He simply is too unreliable in running and adjusting on routes to be Colt's go to guy, and since Moore barely plays, that is a real problem.

Colt's biggest issue to date is missing Watson too many times when he has him, either wide open or just where he has to squeeze it in there. Watson is a key.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

Blackmon

I hear today that this kid is better than Megatron was in college.

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

I hear today that this kid is better than Megatron was in college.

Blackmon is bad as shit, dude can cut while he's catching the ball with his hands on a dime. Give us a guy like that and let Little develop into a Boldin style number two with Momass as the three and Cribbs in special packages, then you have something.

Shep just felt a little heat in his groin area.