Holmgren Interview

[BernietheKid]

10-19 Mike Holmgren interview with Seattle radio station

10-19 Mike Holmgren - 950 KJR

[hammertime]

sounds like he'll be gone at the end of his contract.

[King of Kings]

I can't seem to find the link to where he addressed the fanbase of the team he fucking works for nor the addressing the Hillis situation or the other situations. Anywhere know which Cleveland media entity he discussed the Browns with before he called up to Seattle to reflect on the good ole days and how much he misses the area and his friends?

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

I can't seem to find the link to where he addressed the fanbase of the team he fucking works for nor the addressing the Hillis situation or the other situations. Anywhere know which Cleveland media entity he discussed the Browns with before he called up to Seattle to reflect on the good ole days and how much he misses the area and his friends?

Lots of talk on the local sports chatter today about Walrus talking to Seattle fans, but not here. Also, he is using "them" and such as his description here, not "we". Very telling in some eyes.

[Brown Warrior]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

Lots of talk on the local sports chatter today about Walrus talking to Seattle fans, but not here. Also, he is using "them" and such as his description here, not "we". Very telling in some eyes.

I would just love to wake up on Sunday morning psyched to watch my Brownies... or psyched to fly out to Cleveland or drive to Arizona or SF to see them. It's wearing me down, man. It really is. Love my work but it'd be nice to enjoy my hobby again.

I keep waiting for it to feel right -- the brass, the plan, the vision, the product on the field -- but year after year, it just doesn't.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

Lots of talk on the local sports chatter today about Walrus talking to Seattle fans, but not here. Also, he is using "them" and such as his description here, not "we". Very telling in some eyes.

Very telling indeed. I'm.... I don't want to say pissed although maybe that fits too but i'm really.... Let down I guess about that. We're in the middle of several controversies and the media has antsy pants already, we have players calling out the coaches in the media and so on. Plus we're taking on Seattle this week....

And he has nothing better to do than to break his what, 6 month? 8 month? Silence not to address any of that or us the Browns fans but to bullshit on his buddies radio show about the Seahawks and the good ole days in Seattle and how he can't wait to get back home. It's deflating(at least to me) when the people running the team that I love have an attitude that's like... "Glad to be here to talk Seattle Seahawks football with you guys! Cleveland? Yeah THEY're not bad, a pretty young team and inconsistent but meh, THEY aint bad."

/Facepalm. Just go already dude. Your heart nor your head is with Cleveland or the importance of Browns football. Just take your mini van and your polo shirts and your velcro shoes and go back to Seattle where your heart and head IS at. I don't really like the guy but think we can let Holmgren retire to where his heart is and bring Trseel in as Team Prez? Like I said I don't like the guy but Jesus at least he has a passion for the Cleveland Browns and WANTS to work for this franchise.

[King of Kings]

And just to add to the above i'm not saying he HAS to address any of those issues even though it's part of the job but this guy has ZERO interest in even just talking Browns football in a relaxed interview setting with Cleveland, yet can't wait to reminisce about his past to Seattle radio stations. On the week we're playing Seattle no less. He can't even call in here and go "i'm excited to play my former team. We're a hungry young team this year and winning this game means alot to me." That'd take what, two minutes?

Fuck off Holmgren.

[hammertime]

kinda felt like his attitude is that he's doing cle. a favor y just staying here as long as his contract states

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Very telling indeed. I'm.... I don't want to say pissed although maybe that fits too but i'm really.... Let down I guess about that. We're in the middle of several controversies and the media has antsy pants already, we have players calling out the coaches in the media and so on. Plus we're taking on Seattle this week....

And he has nothing better to do than to break his what, 6 month? 8 month? Silence not to address any of that or us the Browns fans but to bullshit on his buddies radio show about the Seahawks and the good ole days in Seattle and how he can't wait to get back home. It's deflating(at least to me) when the people running the team that I love have an attitude that's like... "Glad to be here to talk Seattle Seahawks football with you guys! Cleveland? Yeah THEY're not bad, a pretty young team and inconsistent but meh, THEY aint bad."

/Facepalm. Just go already dude. Your heart nor your head is with Cleveland or the importance of Browns football. Just take your mini van and your polo shirts and your velcro shoes and go back to Seattle where your heart and head IS at. I don't really like the guy but think we can let Holmgren retire to where his heart is and bring Trseel in as Team Prez? Like I said I don't like the guy but Jesus at least he has a passion for the Cleveland Browns and WANTS to work for this franchise.

Some very good points made KOK! The SAD thing is we cannot afford 1 more brass or head coach to come here and fail. It's already getting tougher to recruit interested competance to our vacancies from previous failures. Each time someone comes here with good intentions they get tossed out of here with head between tails thinking "what was I thinking taking on that mess - everybody told me not to do it." The rest of the country sees this and looks at Cleveland like it's the Sodom and Gomorra of the NFL.

Understanding my last statements, even though our patience can only wear anorexicly thin, I always hold out hope that there's going to be something positive to turn around all the heavy momentum of negativity. Seriously, I don't think we've had anythign positive to get excited about. It's usually finding out we have 3-4 more surprise injuries, somebody is getting benched or needs to be and wonderment of WHY we remove 1 potential weapon every down for Marecic while there's a RB with 4.2 forty speed (Armond Smith) standing stationary on the sidelines. We've always seemed to choose to the BIG BODY to block the blitz with the Turtelle Smiths, Lawrence Vickers and now Owen Marecics instead of burying the blitz with throwing over/around it to blazing speedsters. The defenses in the AFC North are always faster than our 1950s fullbacks. That doesn't exactly give me warm fuzzies that Gil Haskell is making 7 figures in Cleveland as an offensive consultant. Does anyone else wonder what has been going on in the film room when we have precious teachign moments available?

I don't know how many are old enough to remember when Cleveland was the place to be in the 80s. It sure was fun enough to want restored as soon as yesterday though. While I'm very frustrated with things, there's been ALOT of well respected football minds that came here greatly underestimating the challenge of turning this thing around. Trust me when I tell you I have always wished it was as small as changing 1 coach or 1 coordinator or 1 QB - but we've auditioned countless guys in each capacity with the same result.

HOLD ON though, there's 3 draft picks in Detroit working in unison to make the entire country remember Jim Schwartz's name (Stafford, Johnson and Suh). Stafford required some growing pains, injuries and learning curves from holding onto the ball too long and/or not being on the same pages with receivers before settling into a 3rd year comfort. I know NOBODY wants to hear this; BUT until we see a goto guy/receiver emerge for our young QB like a Calvin Johnson or a Wes Welker - we're going to be on a rollercoaster of ups and downs requiring the right opponent for success on game days. NOBODY looks like they know what the flock they are doing in patterns right now. Just imagine having the 2 seconds available to read the minds of confused receivers as to which way they will turn or adjust as the ball NEEDS to be released. It's a reality not an excuse. The Calvin Johnson goto idea is the reason quite a few of us put in the research/discussion posts about Julio Jones when we realized AJ Green would be gone. The team that drafted AJ seems like they have a better understanding of where the ball needs to go when they want a TD or something special to unfold. Even Bruce Gradkowski tapped that AJ Green perk vrs us when we were huddling up vrs a no huddle. My reluctance for inexperienced QBs is because I hate seeing an offense in diapers. Add diarrhea and piss to that and your buddy Flugel feels like a colicky baby over 45. Even worse, all we've done is rinse and repeat.

[Enigmatic Evil]

I think there's a lot that you touched on here Tom, especially worrisome to me is this "building sentiment" that Cleveland is unfixable. One of the things that endeared Holmgren to me early on is that he touched on the history of the team that has been under-utilized (and still is, to this day with his 'leadership') and how we need to tun this around but it's a "process".

This process, now in it's 3rd season really... (As we picked up, and then threw out, the scraps from Mangini) is looking like we've talken a step backward, to take two steps forward perhaps? I don't know but there's a lot of cynisism in the air this season. It rivals, if not usurps the 1-11 start Mangini had a couple seasons backs. (At this point and time, we're barely a better team than that one.)

There's a lot of moments that make you scratch your heads. Shurmur's decisions both on and off the field are most perplexing. The way he brings MORE heat onto the team with his quotes and how he says something than if he were to word it better. Shurmur's performance to date has been a large reason for the Holmgren criticisms, IMO. Plus the hiring of Shurmur, in spite of numerous "qualified candidates" we could have offered and interview and yet, did not.

I DO NOT want to drag this in that direction, It's more just reference than anything. Holmgren's not in charge here... he's like The Kingpin. Sitting in his tower while Heckert and Shumur do the "heavy lifting" He's combing his mustache and thinking about eating his dancing oysters...

The single biggest thing Browns fans have been pissed off is the revolving door of TALK. Every new guy that steps in has the hype machine running at 110% while Brown's fans dreams are filling with optimism that this could finally be OUR time to turn it around, the status quo of mediocrity. We get a glimmer of hope, and something crushes it. Its hard to endure that, and it's especially hard to engross myself in that cynisism. I've got to beleive we're turning it around. What's the point of cheering for a team otherwise? It's as faith as faith gets, faith in the Browns.

That's what I have... that's all I've got lately for this team is faith.

Originally Posted by Flugel

Some very good points made KOK! The SAD thing is we cannot afford 1 more brass or head coach to come here and fail. It's already getting tougher to recruit interested competance to our vacancies from previous failures. Each time someone comes here with good intentions they get tossed out of here with head between tails thinking "what was I thinking taking on that mess - everybody told me not to do it." The rest of the country sees this and looks at Cleveland like it's the Sodom and Gomorra of the NFL.

Understanding my last statements, even though our patience can only wear anorexicly thin, I always hold out hope that there's going to be something positive to turn around all the heavy momentum of negativity. Seriously, I don't think we've had anythign positive to get excited about. It's usually finding out we have 3-4 more surprise injuries, somebody is getting benched or needs to be and wonderment of WHY we remove 1 potential weapon every down for Marecic while there's a RB with 4.2 forty speed (Armond Smith) standing stationary on the sidelines. We've always seemed to choose to the BIG BODY to block the blitz with the Turtelle Smiths, Lawrence Vickers and now Owen Marecics instead of burying the blitz with throwing over/around it to blazing speedsters. The defenses in the AFC North are always faster than our 1950s fullbacks. That doesn't exactly give me warm fuzzies that Gil Haskell is making 7 figures in Cleveland as an offensive consultant. Does anyone else wonder what has been going on in the film room when we have precious teachign moments available?

I don't know how many are old enough to remember when Cleveland was the place to be in the 80s. It sure was fun enough to want restored as soon as yesterday though. While I'm very frustrated with things, there's been ALOT of well respected football minds that came here greatly underestimating the challenge of turning this thing around. Trust me when I tell you I have always wished it was as small as changing 1 coach or 1 coordinator or 1 QB - but we've auditioned countless guys in each capacity with the same result.

HOLD ON though, there's 3 draft picks in Detroit working in unison to make the entire country remember Jim Schwartz's name (Stafford, Johnson and Suh). Stafford required some growing pains, injuries and learning curves from holding onto the ball too long and/or not being on the same pages with receivers before settling into a 3rd year comfort. I know NOBODY wants to hear this; BUT until we see a goto guy/receiver emerge for our young QB like a Calvin Johnson or a Wes Welker - we're going to be on a rollercoaster of ups and downs requiring the right opponent for success on game days. NOBODY looks like they know what the flock they are doing in patterns right now. Just imagine having the 2 seconds available to read the minds of confused receivers as to which way they will turn or adjust as the ball NEEDS to be released. It's a reality not an excuse. The Calvin Johnson goto idea is the reason quite a few of us put in the research/discussion posts about Julio Jones when we realized AJ Green would be gone. The team that drafted AJ seems like they have a better understanding of where the ball needs to go when they want a TD or something special to unfold. Even Bruce Gradkowski tapped that AJ Green perk vrs us when we were huddling up vrs a no huddle. My reluctance for inexperienced QBs is because I hate seeing an offense in diapers. Add diarrhea and piss to that and your buddy Flugel feels like a colicky baby over 45. Even worse, all we've done is rinse and repeat.

[Crow]

If your heart isn't in it, then you aren't helping anyone.

If that's how he really feels, please leave. Tomorrow.

[golfer704u]

I wonder if Heckert could handle both jobs.