Riffer's Offensive Analysis Thread - (All Posts Welcome)

[Sez.EJ]

Colt's deep pass to the endzone was on the money and had plenty of arm.. it was the decision to throw into double coverage. I think the deep pass issue is more about the OL giving time for it to develop and the WR's ability to get open deep moreso than Colt.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

I'm not going to make this thread about Mangini. .

Every time you write this I laugh. Every negative you bring up uses the last 2 seasons as a backdrop to emphasize you point.

Less disciplined than the last two seasons? Try younger and less experienced.

Oh and the "year 3 of a major rebuild" is fine with me if that is what you want to call it. We're actually in year 11. But Eric did get rid of the divas, but he added some dead weight that would still be here starting if he ran the team.

But yeah you don't want to turn things into a Mangini debate, yet all you do is bring up those two seasons.

The point is I don't care if Shurmur or Mangini had to deal with injuries or young starters. You cannot have this team performing the way they are this season. Or any season.

But strength of schedule ranks are as follows:

2009 - 25th 2009 NFL strength of schedule - ESPN
2010 - 10th 2010 strength of schedule - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN
2011 - T19 2011 Strength of Schedule - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

I am so sick and tired of the SOS argument/excuse. Your team either plays well or they don't play well.

Our team is not a horrible team. They need to get better, but WOW are they a young team. That means they can develop and get better as the season goes on.

20-10 loss to SF in San Francisco? I'd say that it could be worse. Could be better.

Nowhere near dire or time for meltdowns every week. This place a little too bi-polar during the week if you ask me.

Yes I am disappointed. I am not angry. They do this in 2012 then I will be angry. Just like I was with Eric.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Sorry bro, that's how the fat man rolls. It is what it is and we've got what we've got, all Holmgrens drinking buddies collecting paychecks on Lerners dime until the next con, I mean team comes calling.

Yep that Heckert guy just brings coffee to Mike. And somehow this other coffee fetcher Shurmur must really suck since he actually has more wins in 7 games than the previous regime could muster in there first 14 games. So yeah Holmgren actually is hiring cronies.

Don't know why we hired Holmgren when actual football guys were lining the fuck up to come to our shitty city. We were doing so damn well without Coach Holmgren.

Sometimes Browns fans are so delusional is makes me giggle.

[OzDawg]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Colt's deep pass to the endzone was on the money and had plenty of arm.. it was the decision to throw into double coverage. I think the deep pass issue is more about the OL giving time for it to develop and the WR's ability to get open deep moreso than Colt.

that!^ he can make the throws..he gets his ass up after every plow into the turf... he runs a better O than Shurmer see 2 min drills and efficiency....and yeah our O line is a sieve

[Tobalaz]

Year 3 of the rebuild?
Umm, isn't this year 2?
Or are we so eager to run the newest staff and front office out of town that we're tacking Mangini's first season on to H3's total to justify firing their asses sooner?

What scares me is our offense runs better on on plays drawn up by sticks in mud than Shurmer while he clutches for dear life on to his "Wco for Dummies" handbook.

[hiwaygal]

Originally Posted by Tobalaz

Year 3 of the rebuild?
Umm, isn't this year 2?
Or are we so eager to run the newest staff and front office out of town that we're tacking Mangini's first season on to H3's total to justify firing their asses sooner?

What scares me is our offense runs better on on plays drawn up by sticks in mud than Shurmer while he clutches for dear life on to his "Wco for Dummies" handbook.

We'll be arguing about which year of the rebuild we are in 'til we stop rebuilding.

Veg is right on the money about this - we're in year 11. Whether we like it or not.

And I agree with the general consensus that Colt should be allowed to audible and/or run the 2 minute drill throughout the game. Hell, if we're going to give the kid the reigns give him the damn reigns. Let's go all in!

[OzDawg]

And I agree with the general consensus that Colt should be allowed to audible and/or run the 2 minute drill throughout the game. Hell, if we're going to give the kid the reigns give him the damn reigns. Let's go all in!
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[choco]

Originally Posted by Tobalaz

What scares me is our offense runs better on on plays drawn up by sticks in mud than Shurmer while he clutches for dear life on to his "Wco for Dummies" handbook.

i myself am wondering about this....

the no huddle is pretty efficient. isn't this the time where colt has to call the plays at the line, protections, and the like? also playing much in the shotgun he seems more comfortable, as others have said, to be able to stand up and see the field better...

so it begs the question as to whether or not shurmur is a large part of the problem....when colt (and apparently cribbs) are doing their thing, the O seems to motor fairly well. when shurmur is running the base O, everything seems pretty far outta whack. colt looks confused, line cant block, receivers running bad/wrong routes...

im trying real hard not to dislike the guy, but what ive seen thus far isn't very reassuring. daboll was frustrating....but this is downright pissing me off how bad we look. i orginally just thought it was colt being a newish 3rd rounder, but im starting to wonder if shurmur has the mental fortitude to get the job done.

[BernietheKid]

The problem is this year was never about winning, but Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmer are not going to say that. This year is all about installing the WCO. While installing this offense, Shurmer has to see how these young veterans and rookies will work within the system. That is why Colt is not taking snaps out of shotgun or running the hurry up because Shurmer needs to see if he can take drops from underneath center, and time his drops with the receivers. You will not see the scheming and trick plays that Mangini did last year because Shurmer is not coaching for his job. I believe that you will see the WR group look extremely different from this year with possibly only keeping MoMass, Little, and Cribbs.

I believe that the loss of Steinbach and Jackson has really crippled the growth of this offense. I am not in favor of this offense looks by no means, but it doesn't look like we have the talent on the offensive side of the ball to compete. That is JMO.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by BernietheKid

The problem is this year was never about winning, but Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmer are not going to say that. This year is all about installing the WCO. While installing this offense, Shurmer has to see how these young veterans and rookies will work within the system. That is why Colt is not taking snaps out of shotgun or running the hurry up because Shurmer needs to see if he can take drops from underneath center, and time his drops with the receivers. You will not see the scheming and trick plays that Mangini did last year because Shurmer is not coaching for his job. I believe that you will see the WR group look extremely different from this year with possibly only keeping MoMass, Little, and Cribbs.

I believe that the loss of Steinbach and Jackson has really crippled the growth of this offense. I am not in favor of this offense looks by no means, but it doesn't look like we have the talent on talent on the offensive side of the ball to compete. That is JMO.

Nice post Bernie! I don't care about trick plays as much as I care about the WRs looking like they know what's going on. Again, Dan Fouts was puzzled why he didn't see 1 route in 3.5 quarters going downfield (past the first down marker). On top of that, Shawn Lauvao has been brutally bad at RG often hitting nobody at all.

To make it all the more challenging, we can't keep anyone we're counting on to start at RB healthy. If that doesn't slam dunk why a franchise shouldn't whip out Chris Johnson cake for a RB's contract then perhaps the TN Titans can fill us in on how that's turned out this year.

In the end, it looks like we need a very talented WR in round 1 next year. Hopefully this will be a kid that has more than 1 year of playing the position under his belt. We need to start giving the guys who are helping our young QB out more time on the field and replace a blind allegiance of hope (until some guys are coached up enough to know their assignments). When I watch Lauvao and Little - I get a dejavue to watching BIG Money starting over guys that would have been more productive within the game plans. Whatever happened to earning playing time in Cleveland? Start Greco and don't give Little the MOST reps of all the WRs.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by BernietheKid

The problem is this year was never about winning, but Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmer are not going to say that. This year is all about installing the WCO. While installing this offense, Shurmer has to see how these young veterans and rookies will work within the system. That is why Colt is not taking snaps out of shotgun or running the hurry up because Shurmer needs to see if he can take drops from underneath center, and time his drops with the receivers. You will not see the scheming and trick plays that Mangini did last year because Shurmer is not coaching for his job. I believe that you will see the WR group look extremely different from this year with possibly only keeping MoMass, Little, and Cribbs.

I believe that the loss of Steinbach and Jackson has really crippled the growth of this offense. I am not in favor of this offense looks by no means, but it doesn't look like we have the talent on talent on the offensive side of the ball to compete. That is JMO.

I actually agree with this. Where the problem lies is when some posters on here were talking about 10-6 records and how bringing in the WCO and guys who have the same philosophy as Holmgren was somehow going to be some magic panacea that made all the things they believed Mangini did wrong go away and everything would be rosy in Browns town. I warned before he was fired, and I warned all this offseason. This Season was not going to be pretty. It just wasn't there was ZERO chance it would be pretty. And All I am told is that I am saying it because I like Mangini. No I am saying it because it's REALITY. NFL REALITY. You don't change systems on both sides of the ball, move to get younger over all on your team, skip the offseason and then somehow MAGICALLY get better. But everytime I brought it up I was told I was still pining for Mangini. Go figure.

And Vegas, If you don't like the coaching staff taking waranted criticsm after a loss, then just don't come look or post unitl Thursday or Friday. It's not about Bi-polar as you want to joke. This team has some pretty serious issues going right now especially on offense. I didn't see anyone calling for Shumur's firing. But are you really tring to tell me the correct answer as a fan is "Sit back and shut up, you don't know all the details of what Shurmurs plan is, so you can't criticize what he does."?? I think there are a number of posts on this board that bring up some pretty interesting points on where the lack of offense might be coming from. If you prefer to stick your head in the sand and go "LA LA LA LA LA everythings fine they are just a young team give them time", that's your right. But it doesn't make you any smarter than the rest of us.

[Greythan]

I still consider the Cribbs play to be a flashpoint of criticism for Shurmur's offense so far.

We talk every week about how McCoy has to make a team pay for stacking the box. The press talks about it. Shurmur talks about it. Its quite obvious that we need to start making some explosive plays (20+ yarders) to create some breathing room for the offense. So, going into the San Fran game there had to be a premium on finding weaknesses in San Fran's defense that might be exploited for a big play.

So, how the hell does an offensive coaching staff desperate for ANY sort of explosive play NOT see what Cribbs saw and call the play from the playbook? Why, instead, does McCoy have to completely ignore the play's designed progression (utterly according to McCoy) in order to capitalize on the defensive gap?

Its pretty damning.

I'm on board with Shurmur for the next couple years for sure. I'm all for continuity. However, what we're seeing on Sunday's is concerning. No if's and's or but's about it.