McCoy comparison stats from ProFootball Focus

[next2nothing]

Speaking of Dirty Sanchez... the writing is on the wall...

He's another pure game manager. Has two recievers like Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress yet his passing numbers are not where they could be. With no ground game and the defense not playing as their usual selves the Jets are struggling to even make the playoffs.

How bad does Rex Ryan look right now with all his guarantees?

*Edit*

Here's a comparison between Sanchez who was a Top 5 pick and McCoy who is a 3rd rounder, just fyi.

Sanchez
Completion %: 57.1
Yards: 2,333
Rating: 79.9
Avg Yards Per Throw: 6.9
Yards Per Game: 233.3
TDs: 14
INTs: 10
Longest Throw: 74
20+ Yard Throws: 30
40+ Yard Throws: 1
Sacked: 25

Colt McCoy
Completion %: 59.6
Yards: 2,181
Rating: 79.2
Avg Yards Per Throw: 6.1
Yards Per Game: 218.1
TDs: 11
INTs: 7
Longest Throw: 56
20+ Yard Throws: 19
40+ Yard Throws: 4
Sacked: 24

Pretty damn close and better in some categories as the 5th overall pick...

McCoy has a better completion % right now, more 40+ yard throws and one less sack. The four 40+ yard throws tells me all I need to know about McCoy's arm "problems", he has the arm, it's just a matter of opening the playbook and letting him use it. He also has less to work with then Sanchez yet they're both almost exactly the same in every statistical category.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by next2nothing

Speaking of Dirty Sanchez... the writing is on the wall...

He's another pure game manager. Has two recievers like Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress yet his passing numbers are not where they could be. With no ground game and the defense not playing as their usual selves the Jets are struggling to even make the playoffs.

How bad does Rex Ryan look right now with all his guarantees?

NY has to be getting ancy with Rexy Wexy, the guy talks mad shit yet can never back it up. I wonder how long THAT rope will be.

As for The Dirty I can't see them sticking it out much longer. I agreed with the thinking last season, 1st round pick that didn't light it up as a rookie yet managed to craw to the AFC Championships, gotta give him more time. It's now year three and he's still game managing and hasn't improved since the growth from the final half of season one. He's peaked and I could see them moving on. That said i'd recommend he try to get a trade to a more of a dink and dunk WCO to see if he can improve via that route.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by next2nothing

Speaking of Dirty Sanchez... the writing is on the wall...

He's another pure game manager. Has two recievers like Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress yet his passing numbers are not where they could be. With no ground game and the defense not playing as their usual selves the Jets are struggling to even make the playoffs.

How bad does Rex Ryan look right now with all his guarantees?

2 thumbs up!!! These Victoria Secret Models playing QB at USC aren't used to in your face pass rushes that collapse pockets and turn 3 step drops into throwing off the back foot during "TIMBER!!!!"

Barkley looks very competitive, smart and talented. That said, Leinart and Sanchez displayed all the same false positives from variables a BAD NFL team drafting up high can't give them. The only problem with THAT statement is Sanchez actually went to an NFL team that had 9 wins the year before he was drafted. Our fanbase would have already thrown him into Lake Erie for a cold winter swim. Our California Dreaming fan would be excusing him and saying he still needs 3 more years before assessments can be FAIR while Colt McCoy needed to be cut in his very first OTA.

[hiwaygal]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

NY has to be getting ancy with Rexy Wexy, the guy talks mad shit yet can never back it up. I wonder how long THAT rope will be.

As for The Dirty I can't see them sticking it out much longer. I agreed with the thinking last season, 1st round pick that didn't light it up as a rookie yet managed to craw to the AFC Championships, gotta give him more time. It's now year three and he's still game managing and hasn't improved since the growth from the final half of season one. He's peaked and I could see them moving on. That said i'd recommend he try to get a trade to a more of a dink and dunk WCO to see if he can improve via that route.

I have to admit, I wondered what all the fuss was about last year (and the year before). He didn't light anything up, but had a great supporting cast.

And I don't mean to start another HC argument, but I can't help but think about WHO brought in all that supporting cast. Who gave Rex Ryan the championship level team, lost his job, and now, three years into Rex's scheme the team can't seem to keep up the level of play they had before.

Just another thing that makes you go "hmmmmmm....."

[next2nothing]

I edited my post guys, might want to check it out now. Ironic how close McCoy and Sanchez match up when Sanchez has so much more to work with and is a top 5 pick to boot.

[next2nothing]

Originally Posted by hiwaygal

I have to admit, I wondered what all the fuss was about last year (and the year before). He didn't light anything up, but had a great supporting cast.

And I don't mean to start another HC argument, but I can't help but think about WHO brought in all that supporting cast. Who gave Rex Ryan the championship level team, lost his job, and now, three years into Rex's scheme the team can't seem to keep up the level of play they had before.

Just another thing that makes you go "hmmmmmm....."

The man in question got a bum wrap from the NY media and our own media and was run out of both towns. His knowledge of the game is vast and whether or not people agree with how he ran his teams, he had them playing hard for 60 minutes and many of his losses were a FG or a TD difference. I'm going to roll with Shurms right now because I do think he is getting his head out of his ass but oh... what could have been...

[next2nothing]

Originally Posted by next2nothing

I edited my post guys, might want to check it out now. Ironic how close McCoy and Sanchez match up when Sanchez has so much more to work with and is a top 5 pick to boot.

Originally Posted by next2nothing

*Edit*

Here's a comparison between Sanchez who was a Top 5 pick and McCoy who is a 3rd rounder, just fyi.

Dirty Sanchez
Completion %: 57.1
Yards: 2,333
Rating: 79.9
Avg Yards Per Throw: 6.9
Yards Per Game: 233.3
TDs: 14
INTs: 10
Longest Throw: 74
20+ Yard Throws: 30
40+ Yard Throws: 1
Sacked: 25

Colt McCoy
Completion %: 59.6
Yards: 2,181
Rating: 79.2
Avg Yards Per Throw: 6.1
Yards Per Game: 218.1
TDs: 11
INTs: 7
Longest Throw: 56
20+ Yard Throws: 19
40+ Yard Throws: 4
Sacked: 24

Pretty damn close and better in some categories as the 5th overall pick...

McCoy has a better completion % right now, more 40+ yard throws and one less sack. The four 40+ yard throws tells me all I need to know about McCoy's arm "problems", he has the arm, it's just a matter of opening the playbook and letting him use it. He also has less to work with then Sanchez yet they're both almost exactly the same in every statistical category.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by next2nothing

I edited my post guys, might want to check it out now. Ironic how close McCoy and Sanchez match up when Sanchez has so much more to work with and is a top 5 pick to boot.

Great job with that. Here's a couple well publicized alternatives to McCoy in the same draft at much bigger cap hits as well as McCoy's numbers:

Sam Bradford (rd 1 - first overall pick):

Season

Team

G

QBRat

Comp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/G

Y/A

TD

Int

2010

St. Louis

16

76.5

354

590

60.0

3512

219.5

6.0

18

15

2011

St Louis

8

70.9

162

297

54.5

1768

221.0

6.0

5

5

Career

24

74.6

516

887

58.2

5280

220.0

6.0

23

20

Jimmy Clausen (rd 2)

Year

Team

G

QBRat

Comp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/G

Y/A

TD

Int

2010

Carolina

13

58.4

157

299

52.5

1558

119.8

5.2

3

9

Colt McCoy (rd 3):

Year

Team

G

QBRat

Comp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/G

Y/A

TD

Int

2010 Cleveland 8 74.5 135 222 60.8 1576 197.0 7.1 6 9 2011 Cleveland 10 79.2 214 359 59.6 2181 218.1 6.1 11 7 Career Totals 18 77.4 349 581 60.1 3757 208.7 6.5 17 16

Understanding Bradford has 6 more starts than McCoy - I think we get the picture that the 3rd rd QB has the most TD passes per start. I'm not opposed to drafting an Andy Dalton type to come in here and push McCoy. It worked extremely well for Drew Brees as long as we don't blow a first round pick on a QB that doesn't belong in the first round, which worries the crap out of me.

We need a playmaker on the perimeter besides just Josh Cribbs. It will help Greg Little immensely!

[hiwaygal]

Originally Posted by next2nothing

The man in question got a bum wrap from the NY media and our own media and was run out of both towns. His knowledge of the game is vast and whether or not people agree with how he ran his teams, he had them playing hard for 60 minutes and many of his losses were a FG or a TD difference. I'm going to roll with Shurms right now because I do think he is getting his head out of his ass but oh... what could have been...

Oh definitely. I'm not happy with Shurmur so far, but last week's win was definitely an inspiration and hopefully an indicator of what is yet to come. We shall see!

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Flugel

I'm not opposed to drafting an Andy Dalton type to come in here and push McCoy. It worked extremely well for Drew Brees as long as we don't blow a first round pick on a QB that doesn't belong in the first round, which worries the crap out of me.

Good stuff Tom. On the bold portion I made a comment a few weeks ago and I stand behind it- You're going to see more and more franchise guys being drafted in round two than one. The reason I predict that is because the first round of the draft is becoming a joke, more often than not players that shouldn't go in that round get drafted in that round after months of ESPN and NFLN types propping them up as great talent every week due to the schools they attend or the agendas being set.

Unfortunately when you have that kind of thing guys like Andy Dalton with four years of winning College games in pro style offenses at NCAA Compliant schools such as Texas Christian get passed on in round one while one year wonders at Auburn getting paid to play while they steal personal property and cheat on their term papers are promoted up in the media as #1 overall picks to the point there's little option BUT to take them #1 overall. Or wide eyed kids at Mizzou with heaps of raw talent being steered into the draft earlier than they should. Or we could add in the USC wonderbusts, all the overhyped partyboys from the beaches of SoCal with their million dollar smiles.

Of course some seem to already be aware, or at least one miserable looking bastard in the NFL who keeps stockpiling 2ndd-4th round draft picks every year landing players superior to all media touted 1st rounders.

Of course the jury is actually still out despite what some may say and McCoy, emo as he may be also just might be one of those guys wrongly passed on that backfires.

[Jax Dawg]

Originally Posted by Flugel

Great job with that. Here's a couple well publicized alternatives to McCoy in the same draft at much bigger cap hits as well as McCoy's numbers:

Sam Bradford (rd 1 - first overall pick):





Jimmy Clausen (rd 2)



Colt McCoy (rd 3):


Understanding Bradford has 6 more starts than McCoy - I think we get the picture that the 3rd rd QB has the most TD passes per start. I'm not opposed to drafting an Andy Dalton type to come in here and push McCoy. It worked extremely well for Drew Brees as long as we don't blow a first round pick on a QB that doesn't belong in the first round, which worries the crap out of me.

We need a playmaker on the perimeter besides just Josh Cribbs. It will help Greg Little immensely!

Wow! The Rams seriously need to draft Barkley to replace that bum!!!

Or how about Landry from Oklahoma who replaced Bradford there - now wouldn't that be ironic?